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Letter: Berufliche Tatigkeit/Lebensunterhalt

Today I received a letter with title Berufliche Tatigkeit/Lebensunterhalt.
It asks me to state how much money I make per month and when did I start working with some other information.
The problem is that I don't have a contract with my employer, (he told me that since the job will last less than 3 months a contract isn't necessary) so there is no official starting date and also I don't know how much money I'll make in a month because the amount of hours I'm working isn't fixed.

What should I state in my case?
Also what should I answer under
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Old 09.12.2015, 21:40
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Re: Letter: Berufliche Tatigkeit/Lebensunterhalt

Good luck (you do have a work permit?)
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Re: Letter: Berufliche Tatigkeit/Lebensunterhalt

But you said here you were about to sign a contract?

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Say you don't have a contract, give them the date you started working, what your hourly rate is and if possible an approximate number of hours you'll work a week.

The name and address is your employer's details - their name and address.
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Old 09.12.2015, 22:03
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Re: Letter: Berufliche Tatigkeit/Lebensunterhalt

You must have agreed at some point - even if only verbally or in an email - that you are going to work and that the employer is going to pay you a certain amount.

That agreement - whether it's verbal or written - is your work contract. If some details (length of notice period etc) are not explicitly covered in it, then there are certain "default settings" which apply.

So to answer your questions:
1) Write down "Stundenlohn Fr. 24,50" (or whatever the hourly wage is)
2) Write down the date you started working, i.e. the first day that you did any work for this employer.
3) Write down the employer's name and address.

See? Not that hard.


However, there is no law as your employer seems to think which says "under 3 months, no contract required; over 3 months, contract required". Even if it's not in written form, you always have a contract: just by working and getting paid for that work, you are considered to be in a contractual relationship. And there is legally no need for that contract to ever be made into a written one (although it's a pretty good idea, saves a lot of arguing later). You could work for the next thirty years on the basis of a verbal agreement and that would be perfectly legal.

So my concern is that the employer doesn't really seem to know (or perhaps, care to know) what he is talking about - which means he may not know (or care to know) some of the other details of employment law either.

In particular, you need to double-check that you're not accidentally working "under the table" - that your permit allows you to work, that necessary deductions (for taxes, unemployment insurance, pension contributions, etc.) are being taken out of your wages, and that things like accident insurance and employer pension contributions are being paid by your employer.
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Re: Letter: Berufliche Tatigkeit/Lebensunterhalt

@roegner: Thanks it looks like I'm going to need it.

@medea:Thank you for your answer, I assumed I was going to sign a contract because I had no idea that you can have a work without one.

@Mathnut: Thank you for your detailed answer I am going to talk to him because he looks like the guy who doesn't care to know.

For now I'm going to state my monthly salary approximately and the starting date as my the first day I did some work for him.
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