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Re: Salary needed for family of 4 to live comfortably in Zurich

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What a load of BS. Public schools here are excellent and private schools are an utter waste of money.
Please show me the data, e.g. how many, percentage-wise, get to unis, compared with public schools, adjusted for economical background.
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Old 17.06.2016, 16:56
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Please show me the data, e.g. how many, percentage-wise, get to unis, compared with public schools, adjusted for economical background.
And is that the only measure that matters?
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Old 17.06.2016, 17:07
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Please show me the data, e.g. how many, percentage-wise, get to unis, compared with public schools, adjusted for economical background.

Of all the university educated people that I've worked with in Switzerland, the only person to have gone to private schools is me.

(but that was in the US)

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Re: Salary needed for family of 4 to live comfortably in Zurich

I did some math:

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And is that the only measure that matters?
What measure is used by the public schools advocates? That they're not like the worst ghetto schools in US, UK or FR is a certain criteria, but there are many civilized countries where it is a norm as well.
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What measure is used by the public schools advocates? That they're not like the worst ghetto schools in US, UK or FR is a certain criteria, but there are many civilized countries where it is a norm as well.
The measure that the vast majority of Swiss go to public schools and seem to do pretty well in society?
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Please show me the data, e.g. how many, percentage-wise, get to unis, compared with public schools, adjusted for economical background.
University is a waste of time for most subjects, you learn far more from work experience.
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University is a waste of time for most subjects, you learn far more from work experience.
There's some truth here...however, let's be completely honest: would you tell your kids the same thing when the time comes and would you feel totally OK, as a parent, if they won't even try to accomplish their studies (meaning go to university )?

I think there are cultural differences that are not taken into account here, thus the discussion is a bit futile. There are different (objective) indicators to determine whether an education system is good or not, but ultimately it's up to every individual to decide that. I wouldn't dismiss certain opinions.

Anyway, thread derailed. I also have a contribution so apologise for that, OP.
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Re: Salary needed for family of 4 to live comfortably in Zurich

I worked at a private secondary school - a quite renowned one - for a while, but also teaching at the same time at state secondary school in a quite challenged environment.

I remember vividly that most pupils at the private school - mostly born and bred Swiss - where there for just one reason: They couldn't keep up with the pace of state secondary school... even not with mine from state school, where 70% of the pupils had a foreign language background and parents who fled from war-torn countries.
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I remember vividly that most pupils at the private school - mostly born and bred Swiss - where there for just one reason: They couldn't keep up with the pace of state secondary school... even not with mine from state school, where 70% of the pupils had a foreign language background and parents who fled from war-torn countries.
You reminded me what I heard from Indians many times: there the public elementary and secondary schools aren't good, but the state universities are very selective and very good, so the well-off pupils go to private schools to prepare them for the best public universities.
Now compare this with Zurich langzeit Gymi - it is similar - about half of these passing the entry test succeed, and thus most of them are going to tutors or other private courses.
The school system here is so opaque about its results - thank you for your insight.
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University is a waste of time for most subjects, you learn far more from work experience.
I think a simple rule of employment demand should decide about number of places offered at the less demanding faculties.
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You reminded me what I heard from Indians many times: there the public elementary and secondary schools aren't good,
Yacek,you maybe didn't understand this right: it is quite the contrary - public schools are preparing the pupils far better than private schools. Far more pupils from my state school went to Gymnasium without further tutoring - their parents couldn't afford tutoring, they went there with the preparation from state school.

I've seen many pupils from private schools or some with private tutoring trained extensively for the entry exam and they did make the entry exam but were expulsed after probation.

After all, Gymnasium is not the only way to prepare for a academic career - you can also make an apprenticeship and go to Uni later. Two of my brothers did it that way. Both of them have made careers in informatics. No private schools involved.
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public schools are preparing the pupils far better than private schools
May be they are, may be they are not. Without any evidence (other than anecdotal) we cannot claim it is true one way or the other.
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Re: Salary needed for family of 4 to live comfortably in Zurich

Tuborg - being a teacher yourself - you should be able to sieve the net and find the relevant, statistically funded information.

But I'm always willing to help somebody who wants to learn - there is help:

EDK http://www.edk.ch/dyn/11910.php is a good and reliable source, they are also very forthcoming if you send them a mail or give them a call concerning statistics.

They are employed to test and oversee the swiss school system (also the private schools) and to gather relevant infos.
You'll be in good hands and will recieve solid data.

Let me know what you found out.

I'm rather busy teaching in 3D right now. But will be glad to hear from your endeavours - you might surprise me!

Cheers, marischi

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