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Re: Job for experienced Mechanical Engineer from India

Well said, agree with you, yours & Jeans comment is in line with my understanding so far of the land.
But when I read the comment of other fellow users I get a feeling that my assessment is wrong and cons have the vast majority over pros. It appears that behind those glorious landscapes there is a other side of Europe which occasional travellers like me are not able to visualise, and this side has negative aspects in plenty.

I must thankfully appreciate the advice of Medea:

"You have a good life in India so look for new hobbies/interests, ways you could help your community to be better, etc, to give you new purpose."
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Well said, agree with you, yours & Jeans comment is in line with my understanding so far of the land.
But when I read the comment of other fellow users I get a feeling that my assessment is wrong and cons have the vast majority over pros. It appears that behind those glorious landscapes there is a other side of Europe which occasional travellers like me are not able to visualise, and this side has negative aspects in plenty.

I must thankfully appreciate the advice of Medea:

"You have a good life in India so look for new hobbies/interests, ways you could help your community to be better, etc, to give you new purpose."
Very well put, only when you put the shoes of a resident and move on from the dramatic landscapes you get to really visualize the real grind behind day to day life here.
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Re: Job for experienced Mechanical Engineer from India

I think it's more that we fear you're wearing rose-tinted glasses and seeing somewhere else as being better than where you are now. We just want to make you aware that it isn't necessarily so. If you want to keep trying for a job here now you know it's not automatically going to be wonderful then do so.

Do your research and maybe consider your next holiday here being one of several weeks - 4-6 if possible - to give you a better idea of what day to day living would be like. Get a copy of "Living and Working in Switzerland" by David Hampshire. It's full of useful info. You can order it from your local bookshop or via the Internet. Read the various sticky threads in the forums and also do searches for cost of living, etc. And yes, widen your search perameter to take in other countries.
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The grass is always greener on the other side. Many Europeans would love to emigrate to other continents. Europe is an increasingly chaotic and unpredictable place, largely because millions of people are trying to get here, thinking it must be some sort of gold-paved paradise.

Believe it or not, many analysts and commentators are stating that Asia, and especially India and China, is where the future lies.
Well, first of all, for the good sake or luck, Switzerland is out of the European Union. Second, even in the chaotic Europe, life is still much better than most of the third world. Do you really believe the future lies where a lot of people live in shanty towns or where chemicals are dumped into rivers as if it was normal? No, thank you.

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Why do people continue to believe Switzerland is essentially this perfect little paradise with jobs readily available everywhere for everyone no matter their background, excitement throughout, where everyone bathes in gold and money grows on trees?

Which splendour in Europe anyway? The 20% unemployment in some countries? The continued divisions and growing tensions between countries? The political and economic instability that is the European Union?

And why would anyone even consider moving to a place they have never even been to? I don't get it.

Seriously people, you need to get some perspective. Life in Switzerland is good for the majority of people, but it's crucial to know that EF is hardly representative of the "average Swiss life". An average worker in an average job will lead an average life in Switzerland just like in every other country. And for those who have an outstanding life in another country ex Western Europe/UK/US, especially those in some upper middle classes in developing or supposedly emerging countries, chances are they will leave a significantly less comorfortable life in Switzerland or Europe in general, all things considered of course, for a variety of reasons. That is IF they even get a work permit, which most won't.
The 20% of unemployment was caused mostly because the Euro states charges high taxes to pay the welfare of these 20% unemployed. I guarantee you that overall people live better in Spain or Italy than in India.

Growing tensions in Europe? Do you know the rate of murders per 100k inhabitants in a third world country? Economic instability? What about a currency devaluation of 60% in 4 years?

The average worker in CH has a significant better life here than the average worker in the 3rd world. And assuming the best outcome that the OP finds a similar job (engineering manager) in CH, I doubt he will be "significantly less comfortable", on the contrary.

That being said, realistically speaking, it will be VERY VERY difficult for the OP to find a job because he is not a EU.

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Come back on a Sunday and see how "happening" it is...

In all seriousness, you should maybe have one or two more reasons other than a lively pub and a cricket game on TV to make you want to move here

I'm one of the admittedly rather few Swiss who doesn't have a blind love for this country, so I don't understand where this romanticised view comes from. But I don't have a romanticised view of any country. There's a million places I prefer to Switzerland in some respect or other - doesn't mean I'd move to any of them, as clearly, enjoying a country or a certain place for a few days or even weeks is not even remotely the same as living there. Funnily enough, once people get the opportunity to move here, they start bitching about the very things they could have foreseen had they not been blinded by or focused on superficial aspects of this place and actually done in-depth research, or spent more time here than just a few days. I'm not denying some of the advantages of living here, I'm just saying it's not as glamorous as you make it out to be and far from perfect.
Samarie, I love your posts, i really do, you have helped me a lot with your insights, thank you so much for that! BUT, have you ever lived in a third world country?

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Come back on a Sunday and see how "happening" it is...

In all seriousness, you should maybe have one or two more reasons other than a lively pub and a cricket game on TV to make you want to move here

I'm one of the admittedly rather few Swiss who doesn't have a blind love for this country, so I don't understand where this romanticised view comes from. But I don't have a romanticised view of any country. There's a million places I prefer to Switzerland in some respect or other - doesn't mean I'd move to any of them, as clearly, enjoying a country or a certain place for a few days or even weeks is not even remotely the same as living there. Funnily enough, once people get the opportunity to move here, they start bitching about the very things they could have foreseen had they not been blinded by or focused on superficial aspects of this place and actually done in-depth research, or spent more time here than just a few days. I'm not denying some of the advantages of living here, I'm just saying it's not as glamorous as you make it out to be and far from perfect.
I don't know about how people from the rest of the world view Switzerland but for an average Indian (NOT ALL) the romanticised view comes from Indian cinema. Whenever i'm on phone with my mates back home, we do discuss about movie song sequences shot in Switzerland. Also Indian cinema is one of the reasons why some Indians say "Swiss" instead of Switzerland.

for e.g. have a look and enjoy
Bollywood - Hindi Cinema
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...6CAgvnE1PwdhfQ

Kollywood - Tamil Cinema
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...VyeJudEo9tTw_R
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Re: Job for experienced Mechanical Engineer from India

Why on earth would any Indian songs be set in Switzerland of all places? Not being rude, but it's like setting Country & Western in India.
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Why on earth would any Indian songs be set in Switzerland of all places? Not being rude, but it's like setting Country & Western in India.
Many of the beloved Bollywood classics have a dream/dance sequence scene set in the Alps. It's part of the genre.
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I don't know about how people from the rest of the world view Switzerland but for an average Indian (NOT ALL) the romanticised view comes from Indian cinema. Whenever i'm on phone with my mates back home, we do discuss about movie song sequences shot in Switzerland. Also Indian cinema is one of the reasons why some Indians say "Swiss" instead of Switzerland.

for e.g. have a look and enjoy
Bollywood - Hindi Cinema
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...6CAgvnE1PwdhfQ

Kollywood - Tamil Cinema
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...VyeJudEo9tTw_R
Argh. Now I'm going to have the kuku kuru song in my head all day!
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Re: Job for experienced Mechanical Engineer from India

I am as well an engineer, in a global engineering company.
I have to tell you that industry is a bit shrinking starting from 2013, always going down. Unfortunately Europe is also not doing well.
So each month I see/hear downsizing companies, people are being redundant.

It was like a dream 10 years ago, companies were hiring almost 90% of the mechanical engineers mainly from EU, but also from India, US, South America.
When I was hired 10 years ago, I was one of a 1000 people hired in the same year! So you can imagine how it was back then.

I feel that this came to an end due to low performing EU and rest of the world economies. Either world would give a shake and ramp up, or it will even go further down.
Maybe a trick would be to change to an european/global company back in India, and try to make an internal move, even for a 1-2 years ??
I totally feel you. I hope you all the best.
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Re: Job for experienced Mechanical Engineer from India

Thanks dblacklion for your sincere comment. After reading all the posts till now I am of the opinion that in reality the chances are very less to get a direct employment from India especially for the people like me as I do not have any special skill that is not available in Europe, this is due to the hiring rules in place.
I am OK with it and will rather focus on exploring job opportunities at other places.
Thanks all for your key insights.
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