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unemployment benefit

Here the sit,
I have the permit C and residence in Zurich.
Worked in Swiss up to 09/2015 for 7 years, after that I was moved to Italy same company different sub Italian contract.
Now got fired.


Am I entitled to get the unemployment benefit?


thanks for the support I am loosing the job and a wife and baby to feed.


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Re: unemployment benefit

Welcome to the forum Luigic.

Sorry, but you lost your 'C' permit in March 2016. Without a job here how are you going to come back and get a residence permit?

If you do, your unemployment money will be calculated on the earnings you made over the past 2 years.
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Re: unemployment benefit

Why you said I lost the permit?
I am still resident paying taxes and insurance, I never deregistered.


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Welcome to the forum Luigic.

Sorry, but you lost your 'C' permit in March 2016. Without a job here how are you going to come back and get a residence permit?

If you do, your unemployment money will be calculated on the earnings you made over the past 2 years.
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Re: unemployment benefit

You have a C permit and you are resident. For the time being, your residency status is not at risk.

You will probably receive unemployment benefits via Italy. You should immediately register with the appropriate Italian authorities. And also with the Swiss RAV - the money wilö come from Italy, though.
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Re: unemployment benefit

Go to the RAV in Zürich, where you are registered, and ask them.
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Re: unemployment benefit

To qualify you need 12 months contributions of UI in the last 24 months.

All the info is here in italiano: http://www.area-lavoro.ch
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You have a C permit and you are resident. For the time being, your residency status is not at risk.

You will probably receive unemployment benefits via Italy. You should immediately register with the appropriate Italian authorities. And also with the Swiss RAV - the money wilö come from Italy, though.
well this was an obvious one...

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To qualify you need 12 months contributions of UI in the last 24 months.

All the info is here in italiano: http://www.area-lavoro.ch
this should be ok

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Why you said I lost the permit?
I am still resident paying taxes and insurance, I never deregistered.
If you are working in Italy, you cannot also be resident in Zurich. Or do you have something special?
After leaving Switzerland for 6 months, your 'C' permit is cancelled. So I reckon you lost the 'C' in March 2016.

Maintaining a C permit while abroad
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If you are working in Italy, you cannot also be resident in Zurich.
Of course you can.

You just can't be resident in Italy as well.

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After leaving Switzerland for 6 months, your 'C' permit is cancelled. So I reckon you lost the 'C' in March 2016.
"Worked in Swiss up to 09/2015 for 7 years, after that I was moved to Italy same company different sub Italian contract."

Please keep up at the back.

One can work one place, while maintainingg residence in another.

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Of course you can.

You just can't be resident in Italy as well.



"Worked in Swiss up to 09/2015 for 7 years, after that I was moved to Italy same company different sub Italian contract."

Please keep up at the back.

One can work one place, while maintainingg residence in another.

Tom
so is not clear or at least ambiguous.
The thing is that I paid taxes including insurance up to now.
Kept the residence address and everything why the hell I should lost my permit and by whom superior authority I should have lost the permit without any notification at least at my residence address?
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well this was an obvious one...
I may be misunderstanding - what are you trying to say?

I adressed your very specifix questions, told you what to do, fixed an interesting comment on permits someone else made.

Edit: I have just groaned at the world for totally mindless and clueless and wrong chatter, combined with a total lack of reading comprehension or willingness to read. And I do not apologize one bit for doing so.
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I may be misunderstanding - what are you trying to say?

I adressed your very specifix questions, told you what to do, fixed an interesting comment on permits someone else made.
sorry wrong reply. I was not meant to answer yours...
Apologize

I found this just quoting:
"EU and EFTA citizens who leave Switzerland have the right to return indefinitely."


this is here:
http://www.migraweb.ch/en/themen/alter/rueckkehr/


seems in any case even in the remote case someone canceled my permit with no notification I am entitled to have it back.

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Old 05.07.2016, 23:23
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Re: unemployment benefit

The pertinent question here is have you also registered as being a resident in Italy? In which case, unless you've been returning home every weekend to Zurich you have likely lost your permit. If you haven't deregistered, and are a resident of Italy at the moment, then you should have asked for your C permit to be put on hold as your Swiss company was sending you to work abroad.

As for the superior authority it's laid down in the Foreign Nationals Act:

"Section 2: Expiry and Revocation of Permits

Art. 61 Expiry of permits

1 A permit expires:
a. on notice of departure abroad;
b. on the grant of a permit in another canton;
c. on the expiry of the term of validity of the permit;
d. on expulsion in terms of Article 68.2

If a foreign national leaves Switzerland without giving notice of departure, a short stay permit expires after three months, and a residence or permanent residence permit (expires) after six months."

This doesn't apply if you've been returning home every weekend, but theoretically you should have changed your C permit for a G permit (cross border) I guess. And if you're still paying taxes/insurances then I suppose they will think you're still here.

Still, doing so does not guarantee you keep your permit. It's not only the fact that you're working abroad, but you're supposed to spend the majority of your time here, not elsewhere.

Of course you have the right to return, but it may mean you go back to a B permit again and you'd only be able to do so if you come as either a job seeker or already have a job offer in hand.

From your link:

Leaving Switzerland for more than a few months means renouncing residence and settlement rights, whatever your permit and however long you have lived here.

Consequences on your residence or settlement permit

Your departure declaration (or a stay of 6 months abroad) leads to loss of your residence or settlement permit. If you wish to return to live in Switzerland, you will have to apply for a new residence permit.
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Here the sit,
I have the permit C and residence in Zurich.
Worked in Swiss up to 09/2015 for 7 years, after that I was moved to Italy same company different sub Italian contract.
Now got fired.


Am I entitled to get the unemployment benefit?


thanks for the support I am loosing the job and a wife and baby to feed.


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You were sent to Italy by a Swiss company, payed in CH or in Euros? (Sorry, don't know what a sub Italian contract is). Where was ALV (Arbeitslosenversicherung) payed, CH? If so, no problem.
As you payed your income taxes here (how did you do that, Wochenaufenthalter in Zurich?) it's easy to prove you worked and how much income you had. Swiss people make their money abroad too .... Federer .... The ALV thing may be tricky but - as someone said - just ask RAV and surprise them with a new case.
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Federer ....
Probably won't claim RAV though
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Re: unemployment benefit

I am sorry, but things just don't add up- and I imagine it won't add up to RAV either.
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Re: unemployment benefit

Why the groan- if someone has been lving and working abroad for 9+ months- it is very unlikeyl RAV will pay. The OP needs to go and speak to them- and see if his contract in Italy may perhaps allow for an exception- but this is unlikely. However, without more information, no-one can help here- OP has to go tto RAV and see what can, or can't, be worked out, asap.
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Why the groan- if someone has been lving and working abroad for 9+ months- it is very unlikeyl RAV will pay. The OP needs to go and speak to them- and see if his contract in Italy may perhaps allow for an exception- but this is unlikely. However, without more information, no-one can help here- OP has to go tto RAV and see what can, or can't, be worked out, asap.
The very first sentence says he is a resident of Zürich with the C permit. I.e. resident in Switzerland. Not understanding what people don't understand about that part of the equation. Why is it clear when people work in Switzerland but live outside Switzerland, but not the other way around?

Although he is a resident of Switzerland he is working in Italy. His question is how does unemployment work in this case? My _guess_ is that he is entitled to unemployment via the RAV, not only because of his previous work IN Switzerland but also because of the agreements with the EU on unemployment.

Unfortunately I don't know (neither do any of the rest of us it seems). so the OP needs to go off to the RAV office then come back and tell us.
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Why the groan- if someone has been lving and working abroad for 9+ months- it is very unlikeyl RAV will pay. The OP needs to go and speak to them- and see if his contract in Italy may perhaps allow for an exception- but this is unlikely. However, without more information, no-one can help here- OP has to go tto RAV and see what can, or can't, be worked out, asap.
Because the someone did not live abroad as he/she specifically said, registered here, payed taxes here (which were obviously collected = the situation accepted)
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Re: unemployment benefit

but on an Italian contract- hence the situation being very unusual. As said, only RAV will be able to get ALL the facts and make the decision, not EF.
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