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Re: Contract Rates in Zurich

Ok, we seem to get a bit of confusion on here about this: If you get your vacation and holidays paid are you not a contractor... your are simply an employee. Wether or not your are an employee of the company or some service company in between doesn't matter. A contractor is basiclly self employed.

Getting 50 CHF an hour translates to 8k a month gross based on a 40 hour work week to keep things simple. This would mean 104k gross if you'd work full time. Since you mentioned travelling is the question weather or not you get decent expense packages which can be significant.

It's a pretty normal salary for many parts of the country. Weather or not that is good for your job? No idea, different industry...
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Ok, we seem to get a bit of confusion on here about this: If you get your vacation and holidays paid are you not a contractor... your are simply an employee. Wether or not your are an employee of the company or some service company in between doesn't matter. A contractor is basiclly self employed.
It's often how the agencies give the figures. I'm guessing the rate unadjusted for holidays etc is the 50CHF and when you factor in the so-called paid holidays then it gives the other figure.

When I moved from euro contract to Swiss one I basically factored in extra expenses and adjusted my euro rate. I think my hourly rate was like 50% more than in the eurozone.

I've been asked before by agents "What's the lowest you'd work for?" and I guess if you have no other options sometimes you've got to answer that question.
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It's often how the agencies give the figures. I'm guessing the rate unadjusted for holidays etc is the 50CHF and when you factor in the so-called paid holidays then it gives the other figure.

When I moved from euro contract to Swiss one I basically factored in extra expenses and adjusted my euro rate. I think my hourly rate was like 50% more than in the eurozone.

I've been asked before by agents "What's the lowest you'd work for?" and I guess if you have no other options sometimes you've got to answer that question.
What the agency has quoted in bruttolohnstuden is with holiday pay (two types) one at 8.33% and one at 3.20% and 13 months pay at 8.33%. As for the overseas i guess this will be calculated into the main contract not this basic one i have been given so far. so i guess if i would have to travel to south america then it will be longer than 8 hours. which is another questions of overtime rate. Where i worked before i just had one rate per hour unless i had to work in the night then i got a few hours more. I just wanted to post this in the forum as i do not work in IT. I was thinking of asking for 60 CHF per Brutto.
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I've been asked before by agents "What's the lowest you'd work for?" and I guess if you have no other options sometimes you've got to answer that question.
Yeah, but if you are an experienced specialist as the poster makes it sound is the answer rarely "40 CHF an hour"... I've just sent out an offer to a client where I charge three times as much for our 17yr old trainee doing basic IT work. The poster is in a professional line of business and I'd expect that new start up company to charge more than that for him... so either:
1. They are trying to get into the market with dumping prices... with the employees at the receiving end of the strategy...
2. They are planning with a pretty nice margin on their side...

On top of that does "freelance" in this case apparently mean "you hang around for free till we need you"... to which I'd also give a "professional" answer. Either a decent rate as a perm no matter how the business goes, or some serious bucks for only the hours you need me...
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What the agency has quoted in bruttolohnstuden is with holiday pay (two types) one at 8.33% and one at 3.20% and 13 months pay at 8.33%. As for the overseas i guess this will be calculated into the main contract not this basic one i have been given so far. so i guess if i would have to travel to south america then it will be longer than 8 hours. which is another questions of overtime rate. Where i worked before i just had one rate per hour unless i had to work in the night then i got a few hours more. I just wanted to post this in the forum as i do not work in IT. I was thinking of asking for 60 CHF per Brutto.
Unless you are in a senior management position do you have a legal right to get paid 25% extra for overtime hours...
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Unless you are in a senior management position do you have a legal right to get paid 25% extra for overtime hours...
http://www.ad-voca.ch/fileadmin/pdf/..._UEberzeit.pdf
And senior management is VERY senior, though some companies try to interpret it differently until they're called out.
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Yeah, but if you are an experienced specialist as the poster makes it sound is the answer rarely "40 CHF an hour"... I've just sent out an offer to a client where I charge three times as much for our 17yr old trainee doing basic IT work. The poster is in a professional line of business and I'd expect that new start up company to charge more than that for him... so either:
1. They are trying to get into the market with dumping prices... with the employees at the receiving end of the strategy...
2. They are planning with a pretty nice margin on their side...

On top of that does "freelance" in this case apparently mean "you hang around for free till we need you"... to which I'd also give a "professional" answer. Either a decent rate as a perm no matter how the business goes, or some serious bucks for only the hours you need me...
This is my concern, the agency are quoting 50chf brutto but no where in the contract does it say 100% or less it just says its unlimited. Which is all very well but unlimited contract with out working is useless. Like you said if its 100% or just a few hours or once a week then there is a big difference in the hourly rate. This is that this company offered my 86,000 two years ago as a permie then told me they couldnt take me on and now they are offering 104,000 with contracting. In that respect is good. Maybe i need to get into IT :0)
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And senior management is VERY senior, though some companies try to interpret it differently until they're called out.
it's not senior mamnagement but just an employee.
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This is my concern, the agency are quoting 50chf brutto but no where in the contract does it say 100% or less it just says its unlimited. Which is all very well but unlimited contract with out working is useless. Like you said if its 100% or just a few hours or once a week then there is a big difference in the hourly rate. This is that this company offered my 86,000 two years ago as a permie then told me they couldnt take me on and now they are offering 104,000 with contracting. In that respect is good. Maybe i need to get into IT :0)

A contractor is much more flexible in the sense that a company can fire him within a week instead of months, but it does not mean you need to sit around till they call you... you should agree on an average workload of x% and a rate of y. If they want you to suddenly work more can you get some overtime payment. If they suddenly run out of work should you have a clause how much you get as a minimum. I have employed freelancers before who indeed sit around and wait till a short term contract for a week or two comes around. It goes a bit like this: If a perm guy would cost you x does a 6-12 month contractor cost you around 1.5 time the price. A short term freelancer might bill 2-3 times the price of a permanent employee to cover for his idle time.

I don't know how to phrase it differently, but you clearly need to understand what they actually want to offer you. Don't sign some blanket contracts that don't specify how much you work, that's not how contracting works. And don't sign anything you don't fully understand... It seems to me they want a freelancer at the fraction of the cost of a permanent employee...
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