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Old 30.11.2016, 18:13
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Re: Is 68k yearly gross a decent salary in Zurich?

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Was it a cardboard box at the rougher end of Langstrasse?
No, it was a one room place with a shared bath (but the other person who shared the bath was there only a couple weekends/year, and mine was across the hall from the bath and his was at the other end of the building) above the Volg in Watt.

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Old 30.11.2016, 18:31
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People will tell you that is poverty, that you can't live with that, that it is not worth moving for so little, that the minimum wage you should accept is 120k+

You know what? It's nonsense.

Yes, you will be able to live on that salary. Depending on your own daily expenses you might even be able to spare some money. You can look for an apartment outside the city. Take into consideration the train ticket when you do your accounts - it was about 2000 chf 5 years ago, when I still bought the year abo.

I was earning 3000 x 12 months when I started in Switzerland. I rented a cheap apartment in the sticks (Zürich Oberland) and cut on superfluous expenses for a while - dinning out, big travels, clothes, etc.

I didn't die of starvation, still managed to meet friends, and have enough money to go back home to visit my parents. But I didn't spend much on clothes and didn't own a car, which some people might not find so attractive.

It really depends on your own lifestyle, and how much you are willing to compromise until a better pay comes along. And your current financial situation, of course.

But yes, the salary is not huge, and you should be aware of that.
Some people on this forum can be so deluded when they are in such a privileged position that they forget that life isn't about money.

Your post is a refreshing change from this trend.
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Old 30.11.2016, 18:48
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life isn't about money.
Well, (un)fortunately in Switzerland it is.
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Old 30.11.2016, 19:07
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Well, (un)fortunately in Switzerland it is.
Not so much for the Swiss themselves though
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Old 30.11.2016, 19:53
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Well, (un)fortunately in Switzerland it is.
I'm getting by just fine on working just three days a week, and I'd much rather have that than a 40% increase to my salary for working for 5 days a week.

A lot of the great things in Switzerland are free or cost very little in my experience.

There is a large disparity between the mentality of expats and those of the native Swiss population in this area from what I have seen.
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Some people on this forum can be so deluded when they are in such a privileged position that they forget that life isn't about money.
When you're considering to emigrate from your native country to Switzerland, why shouldn't it be about money?
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Old 30.11.2016, 20:17
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When you're considering to emigrate from your native country to Switzerland, why shouldn't it be all about money?
Speaking from a personal point of view, I moved away from my native country because of love, not because of money.

Then we moved together to Switzerland because I wanted to work in my field, even if that meant a lower salary in the beginning.

There are many reasons to "abandon" your home country. It's not always money.
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Old 30.11.2016, 20:20
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I'm getting by just fine on working just three days a week, and I'd much rather have that than a 40% increase to my salary for working for 5 days a week.
Another plausible strategy is to work some 5-10 years here full time, build a small fortune, and spend the rest of your life not working in some cheap country like Thailand.
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Hello, I am new to the forum, I am looking for some guidance regarding a new Swiss adventure I'd like to embark on. After months of research, I have succeeded in getting a job offer, in the field of digital marketing, with 5 years of work experience.

I was offered 68 000 chf yearly gross, which if I calculated correctly would be around 4340 monthly net x 13 salaries.

I know it is not a huge salary for Zurich, but I was wondering if it would be enough to cover expenses if I need to rent a small flat outside Zurich manage other expenses...
I think you will get by just fine. It is the equivalent of around €20-25k/year in Italy.

People can live on CHF68k for sure, it is well above the poverty line of CHF2200/month.
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I think you will get by just fine. It is the equivalent of around €20-25k/year in Italy.

People can live on CHF68k for sure, it is well above the poverty line of CHF2200/month.
You'll survive on 68k, sure thing. But it's not a decent salary by any reasonable definition.
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Old 30.11.2016, 20:35
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Re: Is 68k yearly gross a decent salary in Zurich?

68k for a full time 40 hours a week job is roughly 35 Fr/h, before deductions and taxes. That's roughly what cleaning ladies charge around here. And they want to pay that for a skilled worker with a 5 years experience... If you sign that contract I think we all know who the real winner will be
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If you sign that contract I think we all know who the real winner will be
...the person who took a leap of faith and made the move. In years to come, the Swiss reference on his CV will be worth a lot, and he'll have experienced living in a different country and culture.

Edit: Just asked my OH what he was earning the first time he worked in Switzerland 7yrs ago. He's been back a year and is on double his original salary now.
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Old 30.11.2016, 21:28
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68k for a full time 40 hours a week job is roughly 35 Fr/h, before deductions and taxes. That's roughly what cleaning ladies charge around here. And they want to pay that for a skilled worker with a 5 years experience... If you sign that contract I think we all know who the real winner will be
If I'd have said the same short sighted thing when I first came here then my life would have been far poorer for it. Sometimes you have to make short term sacrifices for long term gain.
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Re: Is 68k yearly gross a decent salary in Zurich?

Being a snob does cost more than that salary allows for, agreed. But I hate to burst your bubble - a lot of people with more than 5 years experience barely make 68k per annum for full time work, many earn considerably less. Hairdressers (typically they have a three to four year apprenticeship), restaurant staff, experienced cleaners, trained shop assistants, horse trainers, hotel staff, flight attendants, airport staff, farm workers...

I'm not saying this is fair but just look at all the threads complaining about costs for the services offered by these people, often by people making twice or three times the salary of these providers. Imagine if they had to be paid a "living wage" as defined by ivank et al...
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Speaking from a personal point of view, I moved away from my native country because of love, not because of money.

Then we moved together to Switzerland because I wanted to work in my field, even if that meant a lower salary in the beginning.

There are many reasons to "abandon" your home country. It's not always money.
But why then talk disparagingly of people that do move for money ? Moving for money is no less noble than moving for love or any other reason, it is just a desire to move to improve ones state of mind and being. It is sad nowadays that it is so hated to be motivated by money. In Switzerland less so, at least by the Swiss rather than the expats but across many areas of Europe, the U.K., France, people who have worked there trade tirelessly for years and now earn a good salary are simply scared to admit it because of the retorts and anger they get from people ho spend life with far 'nobler' causes than money.

I've worked my balls off to get a decent wage, I spend every penny of it on my kids to make sure they have a good upbringing. So I'm doing it for love and money. Now work that one out noble salary critics.

(Helm I'm making a point from a distance, this absolutely doesn't relate to you in person at all please don't interpret it as such).
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Re: Is 68k yearly gross a decent salary in Zurich?

Suddenly the Eferes seem like a bunch of Western commies. They hate the rich, the middle class, the horribly privileged ones.
Yawn...
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I'm getting by just fine on working just three days a week, and I'd much rather have that than a 40% increase to my salary for working for 5 days a week.
How about a 67% increase?
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Old 30.11.2016, 23:17
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(Helm I'm making a point from a distance, this absolutely doesn't relate to you in person at all please don't interpret it as such).
I don't take it as personal I'd like to mention, however, that in no way did I mention moving for money to be negative. I just mentioned there are other reasons to move other than that I'd move right now if someone gave me a good position in a better paid job somewhere else... :P
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Re: Is 68k yearly gross a decent salary in Zurich?

It is doable, when you don't have a car, live close to the workplace, cut back on spending for food (don't buy beef or pig, go for fish ) ,cut back on spending on not nessescary things (no TV means cheaper Billag), go for Sparbillets at the public transport (and a half tax), buy tickets for train and flights early.
There are a lot of things , which can be done.......
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It is doable, when you don't have a car, live close to the workplace, cut back on spending for food (don't buy beef or pig, go for fish ) ,cut back on spending on not nessescary things (no TV means cheaper Billag), go for Sparbillets at the public transport (and a half tax), buy tickets for train and flights early.
There are a lot of things , which can be done.......
Seriously? You think at 68k a year you can't eat meat and are too poor to own a TV?

Some 8 years ago, that was about my salary. A little more, 72k I think. I had a 70qm 2.5-room modern apartment in Winterthur. I had a car. I could put enough money aside to vacation two to three times a year overseas including the US as one of the more expensive locations. I ate whatever I wanted whenever I wanted. I even owned a TV! I had a gym membership. I ate lunch outside the home every day, and no, there was no subsidized canteen available (small company) but I actually had to pay full price for my food. I also went out three, four times a week, which included a dinner at a restaurant at least once or twice a week. And I was completing my degree which set me back another 3k or so a year. Yes, I truly led a life on the verge of absolute poverty.

Reality check please.
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