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Seriously? You think at 68k a year you can't eat meat and are too poor to own a TV?

Some 8 years ago, that was about my salary. A little more, 72k I think. I had a 70qm 2.5-room modern apartment in Winterthur. I had a car. I could put enough money aside to vacation two to three times a year overseas including the US as one of the more expensive locations. I ate whatever I wanted whenever I wanted. I even owned a TV! I had a gym membership. I ate lunch outside the home every day, and no, there was no subsidized canteen available (small company) but I actually had to pay full price for my food. I also went out three, four times a week, which included a dinner at a restaurant at least once or twice a week. And I was completing my degree which set me back another 3k or so a year. Yes, I truly led a life on the verge of absolute poverty.

Reality check please.
So how much of your 68k paycheck were you spending on all said things? Let me guess, over 80%? Is it really worth moving to Switzerland just so that you can earn barely enough to keep living in Switzerland and save practically nothing, except for enough money for 2-3 trips to the US? What if you have a wife and kids to support?

Also, please note the title of thread: "Is 68k yearly gross a decent salary in Zurich?". Decent. Not livable. Nobody's disputing I think that you can't make some living on 68k. But decent the salary isn't. OP's being taken advantage of by the company.
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Is it really worth moving to Switzerland just so that you can earn barely enough to keep living in Switzerland and save practically nothing, except for enough money for 2-3 trips to the US?
Yes, it may well be worth moving to Switzerland, even if it means achieving "only" that. It depends what one puts into one's personal emotional/well-being basket, and also depends on what one is moving away from (good or bad).

Sure, it might be nicer to be wealthier, yet there are people who earn much less than that and still consider it worth having moved here, if only because it enabled them to escape their own x, y, or z.
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Hello, I am new to the forum, I am looking for some guidance regarding a new Swiss adventure I'd like to embark on. After months of research, I have succeeded in getting a job offer, in the field of digital marketing, with 5 years of work experience.

I was offered 68 000 chf yearly gross, which if I calculated correctly would be around 4340 monthly net x 13 salaries.

I know it is not a huge salary for Zurich, but I was wondering if it would be enough to cover expenses if I need to rent a small flat outside Zurich manage other expenses...
The salary is OK. A digital marketing assistant starts at 59k-60k CHF, so with your experience 68kCHF is about right. An expert would be at 75k-80k CHF.

You can live with that amount anywhere in Switzerland. You can see this job as a stepping stone or an investment in your future. If you work hard, show initiative and readiness to take on more responsibilities there will be a lot of opportunities for you to grow. Don't forget to learn german in the meantime. Changing jobs is the shortest path to significant salary increases.
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You can live with that amount anywhere in Switzerland. You can see this job as a stepping stone or an investment in your future. If you work hard, show initiative and readiness to take on more responsibilities there will be a lot of opportunities for you to grow. Don't forget to learn german in the meantime. Changing jobs is the shortest path to significant salary increases.
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Seriously? You think at 68k a year you can't eat meat and are too poor to own a TV?

Some 8 years ago, that was about my salary. A little more, 72k I think. I had a 70qm 2.5-room modern apartment in Winterthur. I had a car. I could put enough money aside to vacation two to three times a year overseas including the US as one of the more expensive locations. I ate whatever I wanted whenever I wanted. I even owned a TV! I had a gym membership. I ate lunch outside the home every day, and no, there was no subsidized canteen available (small company) but I actually had to pay full price for my food. I also went out three, four times a week, which included a dinner at a restaurant at least once or twice a week. And I was completing my degree which set me back another 3k or so a year. Yes, I truly led a life on the verge of absolute poverty.

Reality check please.
I Think , there are more important things , then own a TV.

Travel to foreign countries (Australia, Hong Kong for example), going to concerts of your favourite Bands...

Spend where you want, save money where you think (you can live without it).
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So how much of your 68k paycheck were you spending on all said things? Let me guess, over 80%? Is it really worth moving to Switzerland just so that you can earn barely enough to keep living in Switzerland and save practically nothing, except for enough money for 2-3 trips to the US? What if you have a wife and kids to support?

Also, please note the title of thread: "Is 68k yearly gross a decent salary in Zurich?". Decent. Not livable. Nobody's disputing I think that you can't make some living on 68k. But decent the salary isn't. OP's being taken advantage of by the company.
It's a little rich how you are taking the high ground and reminding everyone that the title is "decent salary", when you first replied saying it was "poverty level" which is what had everyone up in arms in the first place.

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Old 01.12.2016, 09:12
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So how much of your 68k paycheck were you spending on all said things? Let me guess, over 80%? Is it really worth moving to Switzerland just so that you can earn barely enough to keep living in Switzerland and save practically nothing, except for enough money for 2-3 trips to the US? What if you have a wife and kids to support?
Yes I spent most of it, because I like to actually have a life. So what?

Also, it's not "barely enough" to get by. It is plenty to have a good life. Hundreds of thousands even feed a family off that salary, but OP clearly doesn't even have to think about that or at least it's not mentioned anywhere. OP also is clearly not 45, but probably in his/her mid- to late 20s (given the 5 years of experience), so what do you guys expect, seriously?

I didn't say it was a massive salary and OP will get filthy rich here. Cause apparently, every Swiss is filthy rich and swimming in money and without the same prospects, there's no point to come here at all. My post was in response to the absolutely ridiculous claims that came from you, blackbird and others that this was essentially poverty or just "about enough to survive" but you couldn't afford anything incl. eating meat or having a TV. Everyone who thinks that has seriously, seriously lost all touch with reality.

Do you guys seriously think everyone in CH needs to and/or will earn a fortune independent of age and experience? Or more than that, that everyone who works and/or comes here is some senior exec or whatever? What do you guys think people in a normal job here make, a hairdresser or a car mechanic or a Migros cashier or a policeman or someone in admin support etc.pp.? Again, an average job pays an average salary and the average salary is not 150k! Also "digital marketing" can mean anything and nothing and with 5 years of experience, I really have my doubts we're talking managing a massive agency here - it's very likely simply a normal job in a normal environment that pays a perfectly normal and appropriate salary on which the majority of people in CH manages to live a perfectly normal life.
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Tonight... my wife and I will be ordering 2 pizzas from the local pizza place, one pizza normal size will cost 20 francs. They will take 2 francs off cos I don't want peppers on mine.
Well surely one pizza is enough for two people. Migros sells pizza slices from 6.90 CHF and one is usually enough for me (I am watching my weight) and 2 is enough for my husband (He should watch his weight too).
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68k for a full time 40 hours a week job is roughly 35 Fr/h, before deductions and taxes. That's roughly what cleaning ladies charge around here. And they want to pay that for a skilled worker with a 5 years experience... If you sign that contract I think we all know who the real winner will be
I wasn't aware there was a job role called "cleaning lady"
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I wasn't aware there was a job role called "cleaning lady"
How to legally employ a cleaning lady

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Re: Is 68k yearly gross a decent salary in Zurich?

WRT comparing entry level 'white collar' salaries to cleaning lady/Migroop cashier/etc. salaries:

In Switzerland 'blue collar' salaries are often higher than in much of the rest of the world - but salaries don't always scale up as they would elsewhere. That the cashier or cleaning lady makes X does not necessarily mean that an average or non-niche IT employee will make 2X. Especially today, when many of those entry/mid level white collar jobs are disappearing because Swiss salaries in those fields are in competition with equal skills in a global market.

The labor market in Switzerland is changing. No one wants to admit it, no one wants to see salaries in his or her field fall. Yes, skill and expertise should be rewarded. But the global marketplace is forcing change that hits the 'white collar' skilled market in a way that has not, and might not, hit the blue collar domestic market.

One should be careful when setting expectations for the Swiss employment market today.
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Yes I spent most of it, because I like to actually have a life. So what?

Also, it's not "barely enough" to get by. It is plenty to have a good life. Hundreds of thousands even feed a family off that salary, but OP clearly doesn't even have to think about that or at least it's not mentioned anywhere. OP also is clearly not 45, but probably in his/her mid- to late 20s (given the 5 years of experience), so what do you guys expect, seriously?

I didn't say it was a massive salary and OP will get filthy rich here. Cause apparently, every Swiss is filthy rich and swimming in money and without the same prospects, there's no point to come here at all. My post was in response to the absolutely ridiculous claims that came from you, blackbird and others that this was essentially poverty or just "about enough to survive" but you couldn't afford anything incl. eating meat or having a TV. Everyone who thinks that has seriously, seriously lost all touch with reality.

Do you guys seriously think everyone in CH needs to and/or will earn a fortune independent of age and experience? Or more than that, that everyone who works and/or comes here is some senior exec or whatever? What do you guys think people in a normal job here make, a hairdresser or a car mechanic or a Migros cashier or a policeman or someone in admin support etc.pp.? Again, an average job pays an average salary and the average salary is not 150k! Also "digital marketing" can mean anything and nothing and with 5 years of experience, I really have my doubts we're talking managing a massive agency here - it's very likely simply a normal job in a normal environment that pays a perfectly normal and appropriate salary on which the majority of people in CH manages to live a perfectly normal life.

Spot on the money Samaire !

It's more than enough to have a comfortable life but not extravagant maybe. Normal car, normal TV, normal social activites, normal holiday style.
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It's poverty level. Netto, you'll probably have something like 3500 Fr per month after mandatory deductions and taxes, which means you can only afford 1100 Fr to spend on apartment (1/3 rule). It's not so realistic to find such cheap apartments in Zurich these days, so you'd probably have to live in a flatshare on that salary. It's doable though, students live even on less here
The 1/3 rule is on gross salary, not net after deduction, just to be clear for others.
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Re: Is 68k yearly gross a decent salary in Zurich?

I've a colleague who earns a little under 68k. With it he supports a wife, who does not work, and has a car, but can get by. But by his admission he lives hand to mouth and is paid under what his role and experience would, according to salary surveys, get him. And so naturally, he's looking for another job, doing interviews and no doubt will be gone before long.

He was hired directly from Italy originally. Hiring foreigners below market rate from abroad is pretty common in Switzerland from what I can see. That's why Swiss businesses have been crying about needing immigrants to fill jobs - not because there are not enough candidates here, just not enough cheap ones, because once here you'll realise that you're being paid below market rate and either seek an increase or move elsewhere.

And this is what the OP is facing. He'll survive on that salary, but as someone pointed out he's asking whether it's a decent salary, not if he'll survive, and for a professional, in digital media, and, importantly, five years experience, my guess is not. It's almost certainly well below market rate.

Now, he can treat it as a 'foot in the door', but I'd recommend that he first check what the market rate is. If 68k is very low compared to that, he can continue looking and while he may still end up getting a below market rate first job in Switzerland, it could well pay more than the first low-ball offer. Up to him.
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Normally in Switzerland employers ask a candidate about the salary he got in his current/last job and then offer max 5-10% more than that, so do not expect big salary increases by changing jobs. If you start too low, you run the risk of getting a "cheap" label. Also sending your CV to many recruiters reduces your market value and reputation.
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Normally in Switzerland employers ask a candidate about the salary he got in his current/last job and then offer max 5-10% more than that, so do not expect big salary increases by changing jobs.
Unless the candidate absolutely hates their current job and/or the new role is a serious step up in some other fashion for them, I really can't see why one would take the risk and move to another company for only an extra 5-10% (presuming a scenario where they were being underpaid in their current role).
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Normally in Switzerland employers ask a candidate about the salary he got in his current/last job and then offer max 5-10% more than that, so do not expect big salary increases by changing jobs. If you start too low, you run the risk of getting a "cheap" label. Also sending your CV to many recruiters reduces your market value and reputation.
This is, as usual for statements made in these threads, not true for in many instances. Many well-established companies have specific salary bands for specific grades and regardless of your previous salary you will enter at a salary band within that grade. I got a 50+% pay rise when I last moved jobs for that very reason.

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Unless the candidate absolutely hates their current job and/or the new role is a serious step up in some other fashion for them, I really can't see why one would take the risk and move to another company for only an extra 5-10% (presuming a scenario where they were being underpaid in their current role).
Even if you don't 'hate' your current job, a 10% salary increase at a much better company that you know you would be better benefits or conditions, or would lead to better opportunities later down the line, can be well worth it.
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Well surely one pizza is enough for two people. Migros sells pizza slices from 6.90 CHF and one is usually enough for me (I am watching my weight) and 2 is enough for my husband (He should watch his weight too).
Aldi sell very palatable 10 inch Margarita pizzas for 85 Rappen! My OH usually makes pizzas from scratch (he used to own a pizza parlour many moons ago), but I keep the Aldi ones in the freezer for a quick fix that we can just add toppings to.
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You could live on it if you lived in Basel where the rents are cheaper and we have the cross border shopping. In Zurich I would find it very hard to survive on that!
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This is, as usual for statements made in these threads, not true for in many instances. Many well-established companies have specific salary bands for specific grades and regardless of your previous salary you will enter at a salary band within that grade.
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Exactly. Aside from personal aspects - location for example - there's all types of benefits and perks, be it a company restaurant or a gym for cheap, a better pension fund, fewer weekly working hours, an on-site childcare facility and so on. Then there's company size, development opportunities or lack thereof, depending on the seniority of the job of course also long-term strategy of the company or whatever may be relevant, not to mention manager or team members.

Salary is one factor, but in no way the only one.
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