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Re: London or Zurich

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Well I have a great big long list with various arguments why London is shit but I don't want to spend all day writing them here. Just a few here:
Salaries are low compared to the cost of living,
Transportation is crap,
Impossible to live near work due to high prices in accomodation in the centre,
Congestion charge and shit like that,
Everyone in London (shops etc) are foreigners,
High crime rate,
RIDICILOUSLY HIGH INCOME TAX,
Too much typicality (you might as well be a robot),

etc.......etc...........etc.................etc
A nice can of worms you opened there, Nick!!

How do you know everyone in London is a foreigner?

Is it because many are not white? Or speak English with an accent? Shame on you; there are many British who don't look and talk the same.

And what is wrong with foreigners anyway? They're often more polite and more friendly than your typical "Londoner".
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Re: London or Zurich

Hi everyone my name is Tinda and I am from Belgium. I want to do my internship in London or somewhere else in the UK. Does anyone know a good company where I can work?

Thanks in advance!
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Old 07.09.2007, 19:36
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Re: London or Zurich

Hi Tinda,
Glad to hear from you on the forums! There is an enormous number of companies in the UK and especially in London, so I understand your dilemma. What kind of education do you have, what are your interests, what would you like to learn in your internship? Provide an idea of what you're looking for and someone might have a good tip for you.

Cheers
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Re: London or Zurich

Well I"m interested in the communication field, because I"m enrolled in a communication study. My interests are advertisingand PR. I will look for some sites myself now knowing that I have to reduce my options and I hope someone els will come across somthing good. If so, let me know I can use all the help!

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Re: London or Zurich

Hi

I am new to this forum and have joined as I intend to move AWAY from London and Zurich is on my radar but here is my 5c worth.

London is cosmopolitan lively and great to live when you are young and single but when quality of life starts coming into the equation then the disadvantages start to outweigh the advantages.

I live very near zone 1 on the east side of the city. I have sold my flat and I am living in a rental flat.

A very modest 1 bed flat in this area costs me £1200 a month plus tax 100, bills 100 so £1400. so about (ch 3374). The benefits are I can walk to work which saves on public transport and gives me more time.

The disadvantages are that if I take my dog to the local park, I need to go with friends in order to ensure security. There are prostitutes, hypodermic needles in the park and yobs which frequently hurl abuse at you for no reason. There have been two stabbings and one rape in the past month.

It is not really that safe anymore and in the last few years the crime levels have increased visibly.

You can avoid this by

- Having loads of money and living in a very good area but look at what the rentals are like in a average areas and you can get a good idea of what they will be in the better areas.

- Living far away from London and commuting in. You will get better value for money but this can also be negated by the cost of transport not to mention the time spent commuting(My one collegue lives an hour away by train and pays about £500 a month for transport)

All in all, if you are young then yes, if you are looking to settle down, no
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Re: London or Zurich

Zurich is not bad, but if you are young... London, definetly. Hands down. No question. Zurich just looks like the kind of city that you will figure out after about a month. I've been maybe a total of a month there and I've seen pretty much everything. I mean aside from a small part of Zuri West, BFStrasse and the small historic area, there is nothing to visit, just 'burbs.
I find the Swiss Germans total stiffs and local German dialect just awful. Sure there are many clubs... They suck. The crowd is just rubbish and restaurants tend to taste the same.

The only thing that would stop me personally going to London, is a low salary (you need to make a very good wage to enjoy London, I am thinking 5000GBP or quality of life will suffer.) and the fact that Russians are not well received there, sometimes for good reason, so I would probably end up being friends only with Russiana and worse, expat Russian in London.

So a slight edge to Paris then, but between Zurich and London...

LONDON!!!!!
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Re: London or Zurich

London has good points and it has bad points. Good points are the frequent transport system. It's very easy to get from A to B in London and it is also very cheap if you have an Oyster card. People say London transport is expensive. it is if you don't have an Oyster card, so make sure you get one, you save loads.

London is also full of nightclubs, pubs, restaurants, theatres etc etc. You can have everything you want here.

I'll be leaving here soon and I will miss it strangely enough considering how much I bitch about the place. I especially like the George pub in Borough and the Grapes pub in Limehouse.

Bad points. London transport is overcrowded & antiquated. The London Mayor Ken Livingston does his best but he can't improve what already is un-improvable.

More bad points. Everyone is in a rush everywhere. Rushing to get to work...rushing to get to the shops..rushing to catch a tube train even though another one is due in 2 mins. These people need to take time to enjoy life.

This kind of stuff is the reason I want to leave London and move to Zurich. I love Zurich. It seems a lot more laid back than London.
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Old 12.09.2007, 11:28
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I especially like the George pub in Borough and the Grapes pub in Limehouse..
used to be my local, lived at Limehouse Lock ..... serious drinking at the Captain Kidd in Wapping though, or the Trafalgar in Greenwich.

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Zurich is not bad, but if you are young... London, definetly. Hands down. No question. Zurich just looks like the kind of city that you will figure out after about a month. I've been maybe a total of a month there and I've seen pretty much everything. I mean aside from a small part of Zuri West, BFStrasse and the small historic area, there is nothing to visit, just 'burbs.
I find the Swiss Germans total stiffs and local German dialect just awful. Sure there are many clubs... They suck. The crowd is just rubbish and restaurants tend to taste the same.

The only thing that would stop me personally going to London, is a low salary (you need to make a very good wage to enjoy London, I am thinking 5000GBP or quality of life will suffer.) and the fact that Russians are not well received there, sometimes for good reason, so I would probably end up being friends only with Russiana and worse, expat Russian in London.

So a slight edge to Paris then, but between Zurich and London...

LONDON!!!!!
Hi CD,

I reckon that grossing 5k a month would give you a good lifestyle in London. You can get that contracting if you are in IT or finance but permanent job I am not so sure about.

As far as Russians not being well recieved, I dont know too much about that. If you move in the right circles here, esspecially in London everybody just gets on. It s not uncommon for a group of friends to contain 5 or 6 different nationalities.

You may find xenophobia in smaller towns but in London I would not worry too much about that.
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Re: London or Zurich

I didn't mean xenophobia. Just very ingrained stereotypes ypu would have to work around. I read British papers all the time (I used to go to a private school in Britain) and I have to say the view of the Russians has been negative, verging on comical, not in any racial sense more like cultural. I.e. every time you read Clarkson, there is always a reference to say too many Russian in the south of France or that Russians look menacing or a general feel that all Russians in London are either gangsters, Oil Barons or KGB assasins. It's like being a Colombian in the US in the 80's.
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Re: London or Zurich

I know these perceptions as when I first went to Eastern Europe to meet my future wifes family(Belarus) I was also under the illusion that everybody was involved in illicit criminal activity and that danger lurked around every corner.

The thing is that the UK has been more exposed to Eastern Europeans in general and the stereotyping that you allude to exists, but probably not in the company you will mix in.

London is not England and in general most cultural differences among people of different nationalities are explored and at worst tolerated.

In general the richer Russians tend to be a bit cliquey and hang around Nottinghill/Queensway etc and dont tend to mix much. But in my experience professional working people will not have too many problems with stereotyping.

That being said it may also be me as I can now read and speak Russian(albeit very badly) and I therefore dont really notice the cultural differecnes as much as I used to.
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Re: London or Zurich

ok so I have been looking around on the internet and I have a website now where they can provide internships in te uk or something

www.internships-in-uk.com

it looks good and all, but still...if there are other websites you know of...lemme know!!

XxX
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have been to canada and US and know more about living conditions there than in Europe. Of course London seems to be more cosmopolitan and lively but I have not heard bad things about zurich too.

Thanks for any info or comparison you could make for me.

A friend from Vienna told me a joke about Zurich. According to him, Vienna has several thousand graves, but is also several times more exciting than Zurich.
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Re: London or Zurich

how has London improved over the past 3 yrs. Any noticeable difference?
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Re: London or Zurich

London?
far fewer jobs, bigger job cuts
stock markets improving but nothing has changed in terms of job creation since last September

but if u were lucky to keep ur job, then u shud have been enjoying great deals around for the last 9-10months.. all prices are down particularly rents

and compared to Zurich, -apart from taxes- London is way cheaper
now that we mentioned taxes, there are plans in UK to increase income tax to 50% next year (ugh)
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Re: London or Zurich

I spent two years in London before moving to Zurich about a year ago.

My advice:
If you want to play hard, live on the edge, go out, meet loads of interesting people, work in a fast paced environment, maintain your flexibility, have less job security but more opportunities, build a career and move around.... IT IS LONDON!

If you want excellent quality of life, probably have someone to share your life with & enjoy a relaxed evening at home from time to time, want excellent health & transport & public services, are interested in sports & nature and leisure.... ZURICH BEATS IT BY FAR!

I am 26 and was tired of rushing to work, ploughing through jammed sidewalks in downtown London, squezzing into the tube, coping with the worst metropolitan transport system ever, being hours away from unspoilt nature, enduring endless foggy and windy days for about 2 weeks of summer, surviving rather than living, etc...

But I do miss the vast variety of social activities in london (true, a lot of it comes down to drinking and going out - but in a wide variety :-)
Furthermore, London being a melting pot of cultures is much more open to change and new arrivals.

Zurich on the other hand, offers proper summers with endless sun, beach, lake experiences, BBQs, DJs, etc. Skiing within one hour drive...
BUT: Swiss are slightly xenophobic - both towards English speakers as well as towards German speakers from Germany. Slight advantages for you if you are English with an excellent command of German or if you are Austrian.

Getting into the Swiss society is hard work... but it is possible. Modesty and outgoing friendliness are key. Arrogance and boasting are no-gos.
If you do sports, find yourself a hobby team and make friends there.
Or join a ski club, jogging club, do sth with colleagues at work.
But find an activity you share with ppl. Networking/drinking for the sole purpose of spending time with ppl is not really built into the Swiss culture - not with foreigners at least.
And in the worst case, there is a vast expat community in Zurich and around who are well organised and welcoming (after all, they have gone through the same challenges you might experience moving here...)

Hope this helps anyone. Feels good to write this down...

Gruezi,

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Re: London or Zurich

Swings and roundabouts. Apples and Oranges.

I think that if you have a positive attitude you'll be satisfied with either city.

I lived in London for ten years before I came here. My big interests are food and music . . . London fed those admirably. The food scene there is vibrant and constantly progressing. The music scene is one of the best in the world and I loved listening to new bands. London has a spirit of innovation, you can even see this in the way people dress in certain parts of town. I love pubs too and the variety of these means they can cater to many different uses.

These are the things I miss in Zürich . . . an after work pint with friends, an exciting new restaurant, a gig from a band who only met a few weeks before.

I'm wary about saying anything critical about Zürich because I've only been here a short time and I don't speak the language (I am making efforts to remedy this). Who am I to suddenly make a judgement on someone else's culture. I do wish there wasn't so much menu homogeny (you could play bingo . . . "hausgemacht ravioli? Ja!"). And I have yet to discover an interesting indigenous music scene . . . the bands I say in London were at the start of their careers, here mostly foreign bands visit after at least a first album).

I loved Summer here, with the lake and the rivers. I love the sense of calm. The air is clean, cost of living cheaper and the public transport is great.

And I like the Swiss. I have without fail found a friendly welcome.

I view this as a good period of consolidation after a ten year party in London.
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I'd prefer Zurich. Ok, I grew up in Zurich and the longest time I've spent in London was only about one month. But besides the financial or tax reasons, there are several other good reasons why I'd prefer Zurich for living:

1. Zurich is not too small and not too big. That means you get everything you get in a larger city. Large choice of clubs, bars and restaurants, great shopping opportunities, wide choice of cultural activities. If you compare the choice that Zurich offers you with other cities, which have less than a million inhabitants, Zurich tops it all. But on the other hand, Zurich is not too big, so everything is near and you don't lose too much time by getting from place A to place B either.

2. The lifestile in Zurich is unique. Tell me a city where the river that flows throug it is clean enough to swim. (I wouldn't go for a swim in the Thames river, but you actually can do that in the Limmat). In addition to this, Zurich has a beautiful lake where you can spend your freetime in summer. Go swimming, waterskiing, go for a boat trip, just enjoy life.
In winter Zurich and London have about the same cold crap weather. But in Zurich you reach the mountains in less than 2 hours where you can go snowboarding, skiing or just enjoy the sun.

3. Of course London has much more inhabitants than Zurich, so the life in London is much more cosmopolitan and lively. But Zurich isn't too bad ether. I'd say Zurich is the only city in Switzerland, that actually deserves to be called a city. In other Swiss cities I thinks it's rather boring, but in Zurich I actually have the feeling to be in a city.

4. Zurich's location is also quite perfect. You don't live on an island, you live in the heart of Europe. Zurich airport has connections to all destinations you want. But you don't even have to fly to get around europe, going by train also takes you to many european destinations in a good time.

5. In the Mercer Human Resource Consulting ranking of the quality of life in cities around the world, Zurich is rated first place. This for example because of the quality of its banking services, internal stability, international relationships, low crime rate and good health facilities.

6. A bad thing is the high price you pay for quite everything in Zurich. But London isn't quite cheap either. And if you live in Zurich, drive 1 1/2 hours and go shoping in Germany, where you get a lot of things much cheaper than in Zurich... In London you manage to drive 1 1/2 hours, and haven't even left the city....
I totally agree with this person. I lived in London for 9 years, although I have never spent such a long time in Zurich yet...I'm just intending to move over there as soon as possible!!!
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I pick Zurich
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I think after 6 years they've already made their choice.
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