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Old 15.07.2010, 18:24
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Re: [Swiss Job market] English-Speaking Companies

Hi Joey82, I'm having the same problem as well.

I tried applying online but I always get a generated email that I am not considered for the position.

I'm actually working as a temporary employee in ZH and in my company I also applied for the "Feststelle" which I thought I'm qualified because I have a bachelor and my studies is recognize here with the same level from ETH. But I was not considered. Then I saw another job post in the same company, I applied but it was kind of administrative job and they wrote me a letter that I am over qualified for the job and they think I will get bored in the long run. So how can I find a job because it seems I'm only running in circles as well?

A pity, but I think AnAustralian is right, to get the job, I think one should contact the company directly.

I really wanted to work in Roche or in ABB where English is the main language, although I can already speak very good German, I passed the "internprüfung für C1" in ZHAW. But it's difficult if you don't have connection inside, i think...

Anybody from Roche here?... maybe there is an opening in your production department, please let me know, I'm interested
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Hi Joey82, I'm having the same problem as well.

I tried applying online but I always get a generated email that I am not considered for the position.

I'm actually working as a temporary employee in ZH and in my company I also applied for the "Feststelle" which I thought I'm qualified because I have a bachelor and my studies is recognize here with the same level from ETH. But I was not considered. Then I saw another job post in the same company, I applied but it was kind of administrative job and they wrote me a letter that I am over qualified for the job and they think I will get bored in the long run. So how can I find a job because it seems I'm only running in circles as well?

A pity, but I think AnAustralian is right, to get the job, I think one should contact the company directly.

I really wanted to work in Roche or in ABB where English is the main language, although I can already speak very good German, I passed the "internprüfung für C1" in ZHAW. But it's difficult if you don't have connection inside, i think...

Anybody from Roche here?... maybe there is an opening in your production department, please let me know, I'm interested
Thanks
Hi Tintin

I feel your pain, still looking for a job.
I have mailed 15 emails out on monday, now Friday i received 4 replies.

I'm getting really nervous as i need to have job soon in order to stay here, i just wonder of all the jobs out there, how many are still active?

i have applied for a few jobs already and got a reply " you are over qualified" or, " we found someone that would fit better in our team with more experience" , fair enough.

Now, 3 weeks later, the job's that said they had someone better for, are still online.
i mean go on , hire me or take the job offline as you are giving people false hope.

I'm surprised how many people just don't reply on job emails anymore, as they can't be bothered.

Not sure what more skills you need except for knowing a bunch of languages and be willing to work.

I have emailed to job offers in Zurich and Basel, both major towns with load of English speaking companies.. yet non seem to need people.

No idea how it works but i even would go and work on a farm, give me a tractor and off i go on the field

ah well,another day of playing the waiting game, another month nearly gone..
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Old 16.07.2010, 11:39
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Hi Tintin

I feel your pain, still looking for a job.
I have mailed 15 emails out on monday, now Friday i received 4 replies.

I'm getting really nervous as i need to have job soon in order to stay here, i just wonder of all the jobs out there, how many are still active?

i have applied for a few jobs already and got a reply " you are over qualified" or, " we found someone that would fit better in our team with more experience" , fair enough.

Now, 3 weeks later, the job's that said they had someone better for, are still online.
i mean go on , hire me or take the job offline as you are giving people false hope.

I'm surprised how many people just don't reply on job emails anymore, as they can't be bothered.

Not sure what more skills you need except for knowing a bunch of languages and be willing to work.

I have emailed to job offers in Zurich and Basel, both major towns with load of English speaking companies.. yet non seem to need people.

No idea how it works but i even would go and work on a farm, give me a tractor and off i go on the field

ah well,another day of playing the waiting game, another month nearly gone..

Hahaha!!! Funny :-) yeah really nobody knows how it really works here. I sometimes feel that I'm on a different planetWell me too, i would also work packing and re-packing cheese in the production
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Hi Tintin

I feel your pain, still looking for a job.
I have mailed 15 emails out on monday, now Friday i received 4 replies.

I'm getting really nervous as i need to have job soon in order to stay here, i just wonder of all the jobs out there, how many are still active?

i have applied for a few jobs already and got a reply " you are over qualified" or, " we found someone that would fit better in our team with more experience" , fair enough.

Now, 3 weeks later, the job's that said they had someone better for, are still online.
i mean go on , hire me or take the job offline as you are giving people false hope.

I'm surprised how many people just don't reply on job emails anymore, as they can't be bothered.

Not sure what more skills you need except for knowing a bunch of languages and be willing to work.

I have emailed to job offers in Zurich and Basel, both major towns with load of English speaking companies.. yet non seem to need people.

No idea how it works but i even would go and work on a farm, give me a tractor and off i go on the field

ah well,another day of playing the waiting game, another month nearly gone..


Do not worrie , you are not alone , all we are in the same situation months ago and still

by the way do not believe the online Job offers or even at news papers ,almost 90 % it is just kind of cheap advertisement for the company

and if you applied, ohh you will get shock answers , and all the companies have really the same message EXACTELLY for all who applied ,
even thought when your qualification degree is more than what they require , you will get negative answer
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Old 16.07.2010, 21:22
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Do not worrie , you are not alone , all we are in the same situation months ago and still

by the way do not believe the online Job offers or even at news papers ,almost 90 % it is just kind of cheap advertisement for the company

and if you applied, ohh you will get shock answers , and all the companies have really the same message EXACTELLY for all who applied ,
even thought when your qualification degree is more than what they require , you will get negative answer
now the question is, do all the other people in Switzerland have a job? or are we hunting something that does not exist ?

I had an interview ( woehoew) with an agency ( its a close to a possible job interview as i will get, lets face it ) and noticed that around 10 am in Basel town, loads of people in suits are running around and sipping coffee in the many places around town.

If there is a job offer open for " suiting up and testing various coffee places in Switzerland ", well then sign me up

Its like the X files, the job..is out there , sadly enough we are nowhere near it.

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Re: [Swiss Job market] English-Speaking Companies

I feel a little better about how things are going with my job hunt after reading these last few posts! I would be happy just getting some kind of acknowledgement even if it's to say "no thanks" just to get a some sense of closure. It almost seems as though my app goes onto this giant blackhole never to be heard or seen from again.
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Old 16.07.2010, 23:54
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Re: [Swiss Job market] English-Speaking Companies

Keep trying it will get better, perhaps revise the resume to see if it can be improved, this can help a lot.
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Re: [Swiss Job market] English-Speaking Companies

I've searched the forum and web for guidence on what the best (format, content, detail, etc.) practices are for resumes in the Swiss market but found it frustrating in that most of the advise was contradictory. Would love to find someone who has local knowledge of my area of expertise (market research) to give me pointers but so far no luck.
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Re: [Swiss Job market] English-Speaking Companies

I work at Alstom in Baden. Although it's a French company with very strong Swiss roots, it is very multinational, everyone speaks English.
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Old 17.07.2010, 19:14
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I've searched the forum and web for guidence on what the best (format, content, detail, etc.) practices are for resumes in the Swiss market but found it frustrating in that most of the advise was contradictory. Would love to find someone who has local knowledge of my area of expertise (market research) to give me pointers but so far no luck.
I have also found there is no real one true way to have your resume. If writing in German there are some standards that need to be followed. If it is an english based resume I have found the companies are more flexible with the structure, but it still needs to be logical and be able to sell your experience and other assets.
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Old 19.07.2010, 01:38
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Keep trying it will get better, perhaps revise the resume to see if it can be improved, this can help a lot.
Oh my god, they are on to us, You must be one of them earlier described suited coffee sippers that sit around in big towns all day, he knows we are after his job..get him lads !

But yes, you do have a valid point there, CV’s should be checked by a pro before sending it out as it can make or break any chance of being noticed.

Before I engaged in spamming of what has to be the greater Basel and Zurich area with my employment history, I had it checked and approved by a few agencies.

After some tweaking left and right, I got the green light from 3 independent agencies , all agreeing and saying “ go for it “, probably meaning “ its hopeless, just get it out there and hope for the best “

The Swiss Cv is different then to our European or Uk version, for some reason they really want you to use it.

How do you know what to-do, what is the wrong or correct? Simple:

- Search this forum, I have used the search function on this forum for many things and found loads of usable material on how to compose a Swiss cv.

- Checkout www.manpower.ch, its in English (amongst other languages) and explains you step by step in how to prepare for a general interview in Switzerland, it even has Pdf and Word examples of cover letters and Cv’s you can use, a great source that helped me allot.
Follow it step by step and you have yourself one Swissed up Cv 

- Google,Bing ,Yahoo or Ask James for it, what ever you’re into, use the web as its your closest friend until you find an actual job and meet people.

None the less I am still job hunting, but was told that it’s also a bad time of the year.
Let’s face it, any time of the year being stuck home without a job is bad
A few agencies told me already that there is usually an un-official hire freeze during July/August.

People still hire but not at the normal rate as many of them that look after the job’s are on holiday, when he or she returns, the person to give you training goes of for one or two weeks, so they usually wait until everyone did his thing and start hiring at quicker rates in September again..i guess the same deal happens around December as people go on holiday also but let’s not worry about that yet.

Think positive is the message.. ow before I forget .. yes suited coffee men and woman out there, we are after your jobs
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Re: [Swiss Job market] English-Speaking Companies

Hello! This thread is interesting because I'm also trying to find a job working for an international company where English is the main language. My challenge though is that I live close to Fribourg and there aren't many big firms here, although I would drive to Bern or Montreux. Does anyone have any suggestions to help me find a job? Any companies you can suggest that I contact? Thanks all for your help!
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Old 21.07.2010, 09:41
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Hi AliBecky,

i will forward you a list with sites that we all use, i don't want to re-post them again as many of us done on this forum already, but i have compiled a long list with all useful data.

Hope it helps,

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Many thanks for the list! It's a great help!
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Re: [Swiss Job market] English-Speaking Companies

Hello Everybody,
I am looking for job in Zurich area since 2 weeks. Its not so sucessful...
I am an Austrian-Chinese...speaking German and English.
Used to work in an Austrian plastic machinery company as sales manager for chinese market.
Anybody knows where to find company which has the need to employ
chinese speaking staff?

thanks and wish you have a nice weekend!
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Hello Everybody,
I am looking for job in Zurich area since 2 weeks. Its not so sucessful...
I am an Austrian-Chinese...speaking German and English.
Used to work in an Austrian plastic machinery company as sales manager for chinese market.
Anybody knows where to find company which has the need to employ
chinese speaking staff?

thanks and wish you have a nice weekend!
Hi Bella

2 weeks is not so long, it can take 3-4 months here in good ole Switzerland to get through the employment process in some cases.
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English jobs database.

Hi all

I suppose everybody know this site, but if you do not, it might help you to find a job in CH. Here is the link:

http://www.careerjet.ch/database-english-jobs.html

Have a pleasant summer day in Switzerland!

Read you soon.


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Re: [Swiss Job market] English-Speaking Companies

Hi,

It takes a good few months to get a job alright, i was told between 4-6 months is normal before finding a job that doesn't require fluent German.

I speak a bit of it but very basic, i wouldn't be comfy having a business talk in german as i will f-up

I am on the hunt for a few months now, and emailed over 70 people, about 35 replied, the rest let you wait or never contact you, so chasing after them is the word.

Sadly enough they put the bar very high as most English roles include good/fluent knowledge of :

German,French,Italian,Spanish, and a good knowledge of SAP..

the only sap i know is myself as i don't master 3 or more languages and knowledge of the SAP program.

I have worked allot with German companies in Ireland and spoke german ( basic) to them, here is the surprise, non of them spoke english or any other languages.

Are the Swiss people some master breed that are brought up with 4 to 5 languages and get their first SAP program on their 5th birthday?

Do Swiss companies rather wait 6 months then to hire and train someone else who can do the job but lacks the knowledge of a certain program?

All companies i worked for didn't have SAP ,so its kind of discriminating in my eyes not to hire people that never worked with SAP,but do tick every other box on the list.

Its like : ok you know this , this and this, great you are hire..ooh what's this,no Sap? get out !

Sap must be sponsored by the government i guess as every role i looked at has the program in it..speaking of having a monopoly going!

I can't help it my bosses never bought the program, yet i have managed to master all other program's they used, so why can i not be hired and trained in SAP ?

Anyway long story short, be patient.. that's all what they can tell me.

( and no i didn't get paid by SAP to mention their name so many times )
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Old 24.07.2010, 14:10
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Re: English jobs database.

As there is a Sticky on the same subject I'll merge this to it. I would have preferred this link in one of the early posts where it would be found more easily though.

Perhaps you could ask one of the first contributers who still comes on-line to add the site to their post if they can edit it, or ask me to do it for them if they can't.
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Re: [Swiss Job market] English-Speaking Companies

First, I want to wish the best of luck to everybody still trying to find a job. Just out of curiosity, what type of program is SAP and why do so many Swiss firms (or foreign firms in Switzerland) require it? Thanks!
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