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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

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Happened to me today.

Ironicly while i had exactly this thread on my screen.
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Old 12.12.2008, 21:36
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... Go on over to your local ORP!
In German speaking Switzerland, the state employment agency is known as the RAV.
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

[quote=GenevaSculler;]"I checked out this link from miniMia earlier this week, and found the same thing - it didn't really help me either. However, as stated above, I got in touch with my local Office Cantonal de l'Emploi and they confirmed that as an EU citizen who has worked previously within the EU, I am eligible for Swiss unemployment benefits even though I have not been working in Switzerland for the "normally necessary" 12 months within the last 2 years."

This is correct what GenevaSculler has said. I was recently made redundant and checked it out with the local Arbeitersekretarin, And she gave me pretty much the same advice. Just make sure that you ask your employer for tan "Arbeitgerbescheinigung" which is basically the confirmation that you were employed and for how long (in CH), insurance number etc. I do not know if the employer is meant to give you this but I had to ask for it and you can't claim benifit with out it. (well thats what I have been told).

(PS sorry do not know why the quote wont apear in the normal maner in this post)
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Old 13.12.2008, 18:01
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This is correct what GenevaSculler has said. I was recently made redundant and checked it out with the local Arbeitersekretarin, And she gave me pretty much the same advice. Just make sure that you ask your employer for tan "Arbeitgerbescheinigung" which is basically the confirmation that you were employed and for how long (in CH), insurance number etc. I do not know if the employer is meant to give you this but I had to ask for it and you can't claim benifit with out it. (well thats what I have been told).
Applicant for unemployment benefits must complete a questionnaire (3 or 4 pages). Applicant must also submit a questionnaire (which is mentioned above) that the last employer must fill in. The employer must confirm period of employment, reason for termination, etc.

Moreover Form E301 is needed from the EU country where the applicant previously worked, if lacking 12 months prior employment in CH.
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Applicant for unemployment benefits must complete a questionnaire (3 or 4 pages). Applicant must also submit a questionnaire (which is mentioned above) that the last employer must fill in. The employer must confirm period of employment, reason for termination, etc.

Moreover Form E301 is needed from the EU country where the applicant previously worked, if lacking 12 months prior employment in CH.
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Glad that you are around with so much Knowledge of the swiss employment laws. Too bad, that we actually need your advice.

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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Just to share the knowledge on another slant here.

If you are a director of the company and become unemployed, you are not eligible for unemployment money. Unless the company goes bust in which case you can then claim.

What is supposed to happen in the event of a boardroom coup I am not sure... I suspect you get a minimum wage of 25 CHF and a bag of Migros spuds..
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Hi

Anyone an idea on how the unemployment benefit is being calculated if one has at least worked for a period of 12 months in an EU-country, but has let´s say only worked for a month in Switzerland with a B-permit and or L-permit ?

Thanks in advance for any helpful comment.

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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

I'm afraid i have bad news.


http://ec.europa.eu/employment_socia...zerland_en.htm

"Unemployment benefits
Until 31 May 2009, special conditions will apply regarding the right to unemployment benefits of employed workers in Switzerland who have a residence permit of less than one year. These workers have to pay unemployment insurance contributions in Switzerland for the minimum period required under Swiss legislation to be entitled to receive Swiss unemployment benefits when becoming unemployed. However, unlike the rules which apply under Regulation 1408/71 the Swiss institution does not have to take into consideration periods during which the same worker may have previously paid unemployment insurance contributions in another Member State; such periods do therefore not count towards the minimum period under Swiss legislation.
If the unemployed worker has not completed this minimum period, he/she will be entitled to receive unemployment benefits in the country of origin if he/she makes himself available to the employment services there. The unemployment insurance periods completed in Switzerland are then taken into account. However, the unemployed worker is entitled to Swiss allowances for bad weather and in the event of the employer becoming insolvent."

seems the information given above is not correct yet
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

What about a non-EU citizen with a B-permit?
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I'm afraid i have bad news.


http://ec.europa.eu/employment_socia...zerland_en.htm

"Unemployment benefits
Until 31 May 2009, special conditions will apply regarding the right to unemployment benefits of employed workers in Switzerland who have a residence permit of less than one year. These workers have to pay unemployment insurance contributions in Switzerland for the minimum period required under Swiss legislation to be entitled to receive Swiss unemployment benefits when becoming unemployed. However, unlike the rules which apply under Regulation 1408/71 the Swiss institution does not have to take into consideration periods during which the same worker may have previously paid unemployment insurance contributions in another Member State; such periods do therefore not count towards the minimum period under Swiss legislation.
If the unemployed worker has not completed this minimum period, he/she will be entitled to receive unemployment benefits in the country of origin if he/she makes himself available to the employment services there. The unemployment insurance periods completed in Switzerland are then taken into account. However, the unemployed worker is entitled to Swiss allowances for bad weather and in the event of the employer becoming insolvent."

seems the information given above is not correct yet
Well I received my first payment about a week ago, and they never mentioned anything about these special conditions and were quite certain from the outset that I did qualify under the EU national rules. Strange...
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Old 14.02.2009, 23:49
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What about a non-EU citizen with a B-permit?
It looks like there is no chance for non-EU citizens unless you qualify under the normal rules (paid 12 months Swiss AVS contributions within the previous 2 years).
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What about a non-EU citizen with a B-permit?
I would give it a try.

When i was there with all the papers, his face changed when he saw the L-Permit and he walked to the back before giving me the bad news.

When i was there first time, they said I was covered though
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Does anyone know the minimum time you need to have worked in Switzerland, before you can apply for unemployment benefits under the EU bilateral agreement? Is it a week, a month, 6 months? Can't seem to find this information anywhere....

Husband is a UK citizen and his line of work is construction. He's a fully qualified carpenter and speaks fluent German. He also specialises in dry lining having worked as a Trockenbauer in Germany for 7 odd years. He secured employment via an employment agency for a short (read - very short) period here in Switzerland. His contract was a temporary one for three months but ceased after less than a week. Reason being: the company my husband was sent to work for turned out to have loads of unpaid bills, so when the agency approached them about this and stated that they wanted paying up front, the company refused. So - the partnership was declared over and the agency had to take my husband out of the job.

As my husband hasn't secured alternative employment since, we are just wondering if it is worth chancing the RAV as prior to coming to CH, he was in long term UK employment so meets the criteria of having contributed to the unemployment koffer's for 12 out of the previous 24 months.

At this stage may I add, I am also seriously panicking about the job situation. In the scheme of things I know he hasn't been out of work long (came here beginning of October.) Its just, he gave up a good job in the UK to come here so a lot is riding on finding suitable employment. Until he does I will stay in the UK with the kiddies, hoping and praying that this huge risk that we are taking turns out for the best....

Any help, tips, advice would be greatly appreciated. I have spent a lot of time searching and studying this forum and have found some brilliant advice, so thanks to those of you that take the time to help those of us in distress!

Also, bis dann!
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Why worry, if you're any good you will escape the axe. If your aren't - well there ya go! Bye!
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Why worry, if you're any good you will escape the axe. If your aren't - well there ya go! Bye!
Sehr helpful...

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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

I don't know if he will get unemployment benefits. But he should go see the RAV anyway. They often have construction jobs listed. They are usually very helpful so it can't hurt.
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Does anyone know the minimum time you need to have worked in Switzerland, before you can apply for unemployment benefits under the EU bilateral agreement? Is it a week, a month, 6 months? Can't seem to find this information anywhere....

Husband is a UK citizen and his line of work is construction. He's a fully qualified carpenter and speaks fluent German. He also specialises in dry lining having worked as a Trockenbauer in Germany for 7 odd years. He secured employment via an employment agency for a short (read - very short) period here in Switzerland. His contract was a temporary one for three months but ceased after less than a week. Reason being: the company my husband was sent to work for turned out to have loads of unpaid bills, so when the agency approached them about this and stated that they wanted paying up front, the company refused. So - the partnership was declared over and the agency had to take my husband out of the job.

As my husband hasn't secured alternative employment since, we are just wondering if it is worth chancing the RAV as prior to coming to CH, he was in long term UK employment so meets the criteria of having contributed to the unemployment koffer's for 12 out of the previous 24 months.

At this stage may I add, I am also seriously panicking about the job situation. In the scheme of things I know he hasn't been out of work long (came here beginning of October.) Its just, he gave up a good job in the UK to come here so a lot is riding on finding suitable employment. Until he does I will stay in the UK with the kiddies, hoping and praying that this huge risk that we are taking turns out for the best....

Any help, tips, advice would be greatly appreciated. I have spent a lot of time searching and studying this forum and have found some brilliant advice, so thanks to those of you that take the time to help those of us in distress!

Also, bis dann!
The rule Cazz is one day's work in Switzerland.

So on paper, he's fine. The Swiss however have ways of applying this sort of thing as they feel like, so I wouldn't hold out too much hope, but he can certainly go and claim and see what works. The RAV is the start point, then the ALK.

RAV will register him on the system, help him find work and make sure he tries.

ALK will pay money if a monthly form from that the RAV will provide is filled in and returned.

PM if you have any problems, I jumped through more hoops than I can possibly tell you to get my money out of the ALK.
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

I would agree also - once you are on the system, if you then lose your job and have the required number of months of previous EU employment you should qualify. The best thing to do is go and talk to them and see what they say - even if they won't pay the unemployment then they will do their best to help find another job, and given your husband presumably speaks German that will probably help significantly as well when it comes to how helpful they are.
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Preparing for battle with RAV, as I type...

Thank you peeps for your encouraging words and advice. We are gonna head over to the RAV today and state our case. (I am here in Zuerich on holiday with the kids till Sunday by the way.) Hubby has zero intention of living off the state, but until work comes our way, needs must.

Shall post back any updates as to the outcome as I am sure these will also be of interest to fellow EU'ers in a similar situation.

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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

OK - what a day!

First off. A lot of EF'ers suggested volunteering whilst seeking work so this morning arranged for husband to do some volunteer work handing out food packages in Zurich. Two hours next Monday afternoon. Sorted.

Next. RAV. And was I blown away. The lady was...omg....NICE and, stone me HELPFUL! I have bad memories of the German unemployment office where they were just plain sh*tty to you for the hell of it at times so wrongly I assumed it would be similar here...

Anyways, the lovely lady did not bat an eyelid when we explained our story, just proceeded to register hubby for unemployment. Talked it all through with us quite calmly, explained everything she was doing, what we needed to do next etc etc. She said that as husband only worked for a couple of days he can not claim unemployment here as the Swiss contributions will not suffice. What happens is, he registers here as unemployed. Gets form E301 filled out by the Inland Revenue in the UK and if all is in order, benefit will then be paid out to him here based on his UK contributions. In reality may not be that simple, but she seemed pretty sure of what she was talking about and it mirrors the information that is out there.

Left there feeling slightly better about the whole situation. Even if it turns out that he is not entitled to monetary assistance, he would still have the support of the unemployment office in his search for work which would be a big help.

To cut what is becoming a very long story short. By 4 o'clock this afternoon we were all down at the lake enjoying the glorious weather when hubby got a phone call from an agency we visited today after we had been to the RAV. And, yep...he's got a job starting next Tuesday working as a Trockenbauer (dry liner.) Off tool shopping tomorrow (never been so excited about going to a DIY store in my life...)

I fly back to the UK on Sunday so am gonna get this E301 regardless, then it is there just incase he needs it in the near future. Building trade is fickle this time of year so he will be extremely lucky to have continuous work leading up to Xmas. At least now we know that there is a safety net of sorts to fall back on if it does all go pear shaped....again!

Sorry this is so long, but maybe our experience will provide answers to someone in a similar situation.

Over and out..
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