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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Reviving this thread as most of the above now applies to me personally...

To cut a long story short, have just been let go from a job one week short of my trial period ending. I am trying to figure out what my unemployment entitlement will be and so far, not having much luck!

I have two children, so as per the info below my benefit should be 80% of my last Swiss wage, right? And where it says 'subject to contributions,' am I correct in thinking that as long as my employer has paid the Unemployment/AHV contributions, then that criteria is also met?

By the way, I meet the 12 months out of 24 months criteria, and have already sent off for form E301.

Found this information on http://ec.europa.eu/employment_socia...zerland_en.pdf


"As a rule, unemployment benefit amounts to 70 percent of the average pay subject to contributions over the last six months up to a fixed ceiling (CHF 10,500 per month, in 2010). Insured persons with dependent children, or whose unemployment benefit is less than a given minimum amount (CHF 140 in 2010), or who are disabled, are entitled to 80 percent
of their last pay subject to contributions. Insured persons who have children are also entitled to family benefits."

Thank you in advance for your input on this. Some confirmation will provide some much needed peace of mind.
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Old 18.02.2012, 11:21
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Cazzamia, if you have worked 12 months within a 24 month period, then you will be entitled to 80 % of your last pay.

You need to contact RAV asap though as its a bit of a process getting into that system. Start applying for jobs asap also, to show proof you have been searching for work since being notified of the dismissal.
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

I just went through the rav and app now it is 24 months out of 48.... so I found myself another job......
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Cazzamia, if you have worked 12 months within a 24 month period, then you will be entitled to 80 % of your last pay.

You need to contact RAV asap though as its a bit of a process getting into that system. Start applying for jobs asap also, to show proof you have been searching for work since being notified of the dismissal.
Thank you for this. I thought as much, but my head is all over the place at the moment so thought I would run it by the trusty EF'ers.

I am absolutely committed to finding another job, but I have to go into hospital so kind'a in limbo at the moment. This I am sure is the reason for firing me as I have been off with quite serious health problems, although they cited other reasons for letting me go. Whatever, am better off out of it as I was doing 12-14 hour days and the stress was too much.

Am gonna get my CV updated this weekend, so I can start firing it off.

Anthony, thanks for your reply also. To double check, are you an EU national? I didn't know they had changed the time limits to 24 of 48 months. Would you happen to have a link for this as this is a significant change to the reciprical agreement which will affect a lot of forum users. Luckily, I still meet the criteria if this applies to me.
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Assuming you have met the criteria, you will get 80% of your last salary up to a certain cap. The last I read the cap was around CHF8,900/mth. If you make more than that it doesn't matter. You still only get that amount.

Sorry to hear about your situation.

Good luck with your job search!
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Just a quick question if somebody could answer? I feel that I am about to be fired. I understand that I would be entitled to 3 months pay. I am a B permit holder. What would happen if I left Switzerland soon after with regarding to taxes.? Would I still get paid and what tax rate would they apply as I would no longer be registered with the Gemiende
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

How long have you been working here?

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How long have you been working here?

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About two years. I don't really want to stay here and I feel perhaps two months salary back in the UK would be buy me more or I would spend less in the UK. I am not interested in signing on with the RAV
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About two years. I don't really want to stay here and I feel perhaps two months salary back in the UK would be buy me more or I would spend less in the UK. I am not interested in signing on with the RAV
You should sign on with the RAV in any case. You can then tell them that you are going overseas to search for work and they will give you a form to take to the job centre in the UK.
You can then get 3 months of RAV payments at Swiss rates whilst job searching in the UK which will be much more than the UK rate. At the ends the three months if you haven't found a job you either come back here to carry on looking and continue receiving RAV or you transfer to the UK unemployment benefit.
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You should sign on with the RAV in any case. You can then tell them that you are going overseas to search for work and they will give you a form to take to the job centre in the UK.
You can then get 3 months of RAV payments at Swiss rates whilst job searching in the UK which will be much more than the UK rate. At the ends the three months if you haven't found a job you either come back here to carry on looking and continue receiving RAV or you transfer to the UK unemployment benefit.
Thanks but I wouldn't get any UK dole as I have more than the minimum assets. I just want my final salary payments to go a little further. The question is what tax rates would apply. Oh might they not even pay me as I would have deregistered at the Gemeinde? I would work as a contractor in the Uk so I wouldn't need the RAV anyway
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

The definitive answer would be interesting- so hope you get back to us on this one.

May I ask a question which is unrelated to your case- but what happens if someone comes to CH on a short-term contract which has a definite and contracted end? For example on a short 2 year contract? Does RAV pick up the tab after that- even though the 'unemployment' was pre-planned as such?
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About two years. I don't really want to stay here and I feel perhaps two months salary back in the UK would be buy me more or I would spend less in the UK. I am not interested in signing on with the RAV
You are not interested in getting 70-80% of your last salary, that you are fully entitled to?

Ok...
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You should sign on with the RAV in any case. You can then tell them that you are going overseas to search for work and they will give you a form to take to the job centre in the UK.
You can then get 3 months of RAV payments at Swiss rates whilst job searching in the UK which will be much more than the UK rate. At the ends the three months if you haven't found a job you either come back here to carry on looking and continue receiving RAV or you transfer to the UK unemployment benefit.
You can't export your benefits on day 1, there is definitely a waiting period.
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You are not interested in getting 70-80% of your last salary, that you are fully entitled to?

Ok...
Well I would hopefully get 100% of my salary from my present employer. I cant get the RAV as you cant get it when receiving your salary. As well then I would hopefully be contracting in the UK. And as previously stated I cant export my benefits on day 1 and don't think you get it in the first month of "proper" unemployment.
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The definitive answer would be interesting- so hope you get back to us on this one.

May I ask a question which is unrelated to your case- but what happens if someone comes to CH on a short-term contract which has a definite and contracted end? For example on a short 2 year contract? Does RAV pick up the tab after that- even though the 'unemployment' was pre-planned as such?
Yes, it's all about insurance premiums paid.
Your definition of 2 years as a 'short contract' is interesting, I consider 1 day a short contract and a week being a long one.
It's quite possible to get RAV benefits when all contracts have been 3 days or less, they talk about 'days' however they mean days or amount of money earned in a month. If you earned more than 70% or 80% of earnings whilst on RAV benefits, it's assumed you worked full time as there was zero insurance claim that month. So on that basis if your on RAV benefits & don't get paid out in 18 of the 24 months they count it as working for 18 months, & give a new rahmendrist.
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Thanks but I wouldn't get any UK dole as I have more than the minimum assets. I just want my final salary payments to go a little further. The question is what tax rates would apply. Oh might they not even pay me as I would have deregistered at the Gemeinde? I would work as a contractor in the Uk so I wouldn't need the RAV anyway
Are you taxed at source? Presumably so and , as in the UK, you would be taxed as if the amount were a normal monthly salary payment, although it may be the amount of 2 or 3 months. IMO 33%, or whatever is normally deducted would be taken...
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Are you taxed at source? Presumably so and , as in the UK, you would be taxed as if the amount were a normal monthly salary payment, although it may be the amount of 2 or 3 months. IMO 33%, or whatever is normally deducted would be taken...
Yes I am taxed at source. but what would be the rate? At my old Gemeinde rate? Not sure what you mean by 33%. I pay about 10 at the moment
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Yes, it's all about insurance premiums paid.
Your definition of 2 years as a 'short contract' is interesting, I consider 1 day a short contract and a week being a long one.
It's quite possible to get RAV benefits when all contracts have been 3 days or less, they talk about 'days' however they mean days or amount of money earned in a month. If you earned more than 70% or 80% of earnings whilst on RAV benefits, it's assumed you worked full time as there was zero insurance claim that month. So on that basis if your on RAV benefits & don't get paid out in 18 of the 24 months they count it as working for 18 months, & give a new rahmendrist.
Well your case is 'a bit different' - I was talking about a permanent, full-time temporary contract- temporary from the start. Mentionned 2 years as you have to work for 1 year in previous 2- but could be any short-term contract. If the 'unemployment' is pre-planned, so to speak,
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...Oh might they not even pay me as I would have deregistered at the Gemeinde?...
One assumes you are entitled to be paid for days worked, regardless. However, I'd advise you not to deregister before your last day of work, just to try and keep things organized. I think you can do the paperwork a month in advance. So if you want to leave end November you can do the paperwork earlier in the month but the effective date is at the end.
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Well your case is 'a bit different' - I was talking about a permanent, full-time temporary contract- temporary from the start. Mentionned 2 years as you have to work for 1 year in previous 2- but could be any short-term contract. If the 'unemployment' is pre-planned, so to speak,
Since notice can be given on a full time permanent job, many employers will give such a job as the pay is lower. Nothing to stop them giving notice after 3 months, 6 months or 3 years which many do. Very few jobs are 'forever' today.

Unemployment insurance is based on work done (or possibly money earned) in last 24 months, it's subject to fact & insurance premiums paid, nothing else. If there was a difference do you think unemployed people would take a temporary contract, if they were offered one on their first day of unemployment?
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