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Old 23.08.2014, 13:35
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

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You can't export your benefits on day 1, there is definitely a waiting period.
Not if he gets fired?

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Well I would hopefully get 100% of my salary from my present employer. I cant get the RAV as you cant get it when receiving your salary. As well then I would hopefully be contracting in the UK. And as previously stated I cant export my benefits on day 1 and don't think you get it in the first month of "proper" unemployment.
You should definitely sign up to the RAV/ORP when/if you get fired. Even if you get three months notice, you may actually have to work those last three months. Notice period is not cash in hand to leave. It might be. But usually not.

Once you get fired go to the unemployment office and give them your last working day or the last day of the money you receive (if in fact they do give you "gardening leave"), then you can transfer your unemployment payments to the UK for three months as others have said. Hopefully you won't need them as you'll have another job. But if you do need them you can't apply retrospectively after you've moved.
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Old 23.08.2014, 13:53
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

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Not if he gets fired?



You should definitely sign up to the RAV/ORP when/if you get fired. Even if you get three months notice, you may actually have to work those last three months. Notice period is not cash in hand to leave. It might be. But usually not.

Once you get fired go to the unemployment office and give them your last working day or the last day of the money you receive (if in fact they do give you "gardening leave"), then you can transfer your unemployment payments to the UK for three months as others have said. Hopefully you won't need them as you'll have another job. But if you do need them you can't apply retrospectively after you've moved.
You have to be unemployed for a minimum period (can't remember if it's 1 month or 3 months) before you can export your benefits to job search in another country. I know of someone who has gone back to the UK but has not had any money yet from CH, interested to know if it really works.

Edit it's 4 weeks http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens...s/index_en.htm

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Old 23.08.2014, 13:57
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You have to be unemployed for a minimum period (can't remember if it's 1 month or 3 months) before you can export your benefits to job search in another country. I know of someone who has gone back to the UK but has not had any money yet from CH, interested to know if it really works.
Ah. You mean that kind of waiting period. Not the penalty. Yes, that's true. You need have been on unemployment here for a certain time before the transfer.
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Old 23.08.2014, 14:20
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Yes I am taxed at source. but what would be the rate? At my old Gemeinde rate? Not sure what you mean by 33%. I pay about 10 at the moment
There may be some confusion here. I know little about taxed at source/Quellensteuer/witholding tax as I have never paid it, but I am under the impression that where you live makes no difference. The tax is deducted from your salary by our employer, like PAYE in the UK.

You can find more info at the Zurich taxation website in English...
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You have to be unemployed for a minimum period (can't remember if it's 1 month or 3 months) before you can export your benefits to job search in another country. I know of someone who has gone back to the UK but has not had any money yet from CH, interested to know if it really works.

Edit it's 4 weeks http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens...s/index_en.htm
It's one month (ok 4 weeks) and it does work but you do have to make sure you arrange it before you leave Switzerland.
I know somebody who did it and was paid for the full three months before transferring to UK benefit.

He has nothing to lose by registering with the RAV IF he is made redundant even if in the long run he doesn't need it.
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

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Not if he gets fired?



You should definitely sign up to the RAV/ORP when/if you get fired. Even if you get three months notice, you may actually have to work those last three months. Notice period is not cash in hand to leave. It might be. But usually not.

Once you get fired go to the unemployment office and give them your last working day or the last day of the money you receive (if in fact they do give you "gardening leave"), then you can transfer your unemployment payments to the UK for three months as others have said. Hopefully you won't need them as you'll have another job. But if you do need them you can't apply retrospectively after you've moved.
I think they would give me gardening leave that's why I want to go to England so I would end up spending less

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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Thats bad luck (Pech in this part of the world), but it can happen. Make sure you get a document called E101 or U2 from the EU country where you are/were working before moving to lovely Switzerland.

I must say that however sad / unlucky you might feel, money-wise you are likely to be better off unemployed here in CH (than unemployed elsewhere in the EU). Once you are registered unemployed you can export your unemployment insurance to any EU country for 3 months.
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

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Any advice on this case?
It's a risk, just as it would be taking up a job anywhere else. Unless you can negotiate relocation costs, you should take into account that you could lose your job with practically no notice during the probationary period and be left without entitlement to any insurance, effectively forcing you to return back to your country of origin - an expensive scenario.

I'd seek to limit your risk as best as you can; wait until at least you get past your probationary period before signing long term accommodation contracts or bringing over your stuff or family, for example.

Once past your probationary period (typically three months) you'll still not be eligible for unemployment insurance, but as notice periods are often three months, this will mean your period of real risk (having fully transferred, but being ineligible for unemployment insurance) effectively becomes that six month period between the end of your probationary period and nine months employment (as your notice period would bring you over the 12 month mark).
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Next. RAV. And was I blown away. The lady was...omg....NICE and, stone me HELPFUL!
Luck of the draw as with any public servant in any country. I was also lucky the one time I was on the RAV, but I've known others who were assigned serious d**kheads too. I suspect both your attitude and educational level make a big difference to how they treat you though.
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You are not interested in getting 70-80% of your last salary, that you are fully entitled to?
Happens, especially with those who were on high salaries. Remember your ALG is 70% - 80% of your salary up to about 9'000.- p.m.; I knew one chap who worked in a bank on about 13'500.- p.m. and such was the cost of his family's lifestyle that he simply could not afford to take the RAV and was forced to take the first comparable job, abroad.
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Old 09.01.2015, 17:47
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Happens, especially with those who were on high salaries. Remember your ALG is 70% - 80% of your salary up to about 9'000.- p.m.; I knew one chap who worked in a bank on about 13'500.- p.m. and such was the cost of his family's lifestyle that he simply could not afford to take the RAV and was forced to take the first comparable job, abroad.
If the guy and his family, however numerous, cannot live on 8k/month then tough titty.

"Forced to take first job abroad" indeed, cannot live on RAV !!

Whatever anyone says about the RAV, one thing is sure, it's generous !
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Old 09.01.2015, 18:14
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Well if you have established monthly outgoings like rent alone of 5k then 8k isn't that much. You may not have much sympathy for such a person, but that's the fiscal reality for someone who earns, and has the expenditure to match, above a certain level. It's all relative.

Personally, what a person earns and spend is their business, but in the case I cited the only criticism I'd have is that they didn't seem to put much aside. If they had, the RAV still would not have covered their bills, but at least between it and savings they would have bought themselves some time to find another role that did not necessitate their rapid departure.
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