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Old 02.12.2008, 12:36
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EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Hi!
This is a question which should be relevant for all EU citizens moving to Switzerland for work:

What if I get fired after only a short time (less than 12 months) in Switzerland? It’s a quite possible scenario considering the current economic crisis.

I am an EU citizen, living and working in Netherlands. I am being interviewed about a possible new job (permanent position) in Switzerland, but before deciding to move I just want to know what could happen with respect to the following:

Would I get unemployment benefits and/or social security from Switzerland, Netherlands or not at all? I know that when moving from one EU country to another, there are international agreements saying that the “new” country pays unemployment benefits in these cases so that no one can end up without any social security. Obviously Switzerland is not in the EU, but I know they have aligned some of their laws towards those of the EU.

Any advice on this case?
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Old 02.12.2008, 13:16
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Hi

I think you are entitled to 80% unemployment benefit after 12 months employment. Dont know if this is affected by what permit you would have.

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Old 02.12.2008, 13:23
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

AFAIK if you work < 12 months you have no right to unemployment benefits.
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AFAIK if you work < 12 months you have no right to unemployment benefits.
AFAIK, is that kind of like SOL in the US?
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AFAIK, is that kind of like SOL in the US?
AFAIK = as far as I know



SOL would be more like SNAFU

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Old 02.12.2008, 17:04
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Here you might want to read this:

EDIT: Link Broken. Will find the link again & post. It was a link the talked about the EU/Swiss treaty in regards to unemployment.

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Hi!
This is a question which should be relevant for all EU citizens moving to Switzerland for work:

What if I get fired after only a short time (less than 12 months) in Switzerland? It’s a quite possible scenario considering the current economic crisis.

I am an EU citizen, living and working in Netherlands. I am being interviewed about a possible new job (permanent position) in Switzerland, but before deciding to move I just want to know what could happen with respect to the following:

Would I get unemployment benefits and/or social security from Switzerland, Netherlands or not at all? I know that when moving from one EU country to another, there are international agreements saying that the “new” country pays unemployment benefits in these cases so that no one can end up without any social security. Obviously Switzerland is not in the EU, but I know they have aligned some of their laws towards those of the EU.

Any advice on this case?
I am in exactly this situation, and (thanks to GoldTop on this forum) I got in touch with the Geneva Office Cantonal de l'Emploi today, and it appears that if you are EU and have worked in the EU previously then you ARE covered for unemployment benefits even if you have not worked for 12 months in Switzerland. I have a meeting next week to find out exactly what will happen, but it seems like I should get either 70 or 80% (not quite sure what the difference between the two rates is) of the "average of my last 12 months salary". I assume this will be the 6 months which I worked in Switzerland plus the last 6 months I worked in the UK, but will update this thread next week once I have a definitive answer.
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Old 10.12.2008, 18:24
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I am in exactly this situation, and (thanks to GoldTop on this forum) I got in touch with the Geneva Office Cantonal de l'Emploi today, and it appears that if you are EU and have worked in the EU previously then you ARE covered for unemployment benefits even if you have not worked for 12 months in Switzerland. I have a meeting next week to find out exactly what will happen, but it seems like I should get either 70 or 80% (not quite sure what the difference between the two rates is) of the "average of my last 12 months salary". I assume this will be the 6 months which I worked in Switzerland plus the last 6 months I worked in the UK, but will update this thread next week once I have a definitive answer.
Entitlement 80% if you have dependent children. Otherwise 70%.

The entitlement is calculated on the average of the last 12 months or the last 6 months, whichever is more beneficial to the applicant.

Note however that the maximum insured amount is only CHF 9'000 per month. Hence, you get max 7'200 or 6'300 depending on family status.

That is the gross amount entitlement. From it, the usual deductions for social-security, accident insurance, etc.
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Are these rules different depending on the canton, or is it the same all over Switzerland?
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Old 11.12.2008, 12:08
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Are these rules different depending on the canton, or is it the same all over Switzerland?
I believe that the entitlement to receive benefits for EU nationals who have paid unemployment insurance in an EU country prior to moving to Switzerland applies throughout Switzerland, as it is part of a bi-lateral agreement that Switzerland as a whole has signed up to with the EU.
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Old 11.12.2008, 22:34
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I believe that the entitlement to receive benefits for EU nationals who have paid unemployment insurance in an EU country prior to moving to Switzerland applies throughout Switzerland, as it is part of a bi-lateral agreement that Switzerland as a whole has signed up to with the EU.
Yes that is right. It is the same for all EU/EEA. I can't find the link on the Europa site any more.
This site has the list of forms you need to transfer unemployment benefits. http://www.easyexpat.com/en/faq/work/q36.htm
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Thank you all! I’ve never seen an internet forum with this many helpful people. Now, if I could only find the “thank you button” I would use it J.

miniMia, I think I found your site:
http://ec.europa.eu/employment_social/social_security_schemes/switzerland_en.htm

From the site: “Therefore the information in the guide "The Community provisions on social security - Your rights when moving within the European Union" in principle also applies in relation to Switzerland. However, slightly different rules apply concerning sickness insurance, unemployment benefits, and occupational benefits schemes for old-age, survivors' and invalidity pensions.”

But what isn’t clear to me is that the “slightly different rules” concerning unemployment benefits seem to only mention employed workers in Switzerland who have a residence permit of less than one year. I'm not an expert on this since I dont live in Switzerland (yet), but aren't the residence permits usually on a year or more? So, the website doesn't really give me the answer of the situation when the permit is on one year (or more), but you get fired after a shorter time. But looking at your answers above, this case seems to be covered too (?).

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Thank you all! I’ve never seen an internet forum with this many helpful people. Now, if I could only find the “thank you button” I would use it J.
Make two more posts and you will find it magically appears.

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miniMia, I think I found your site:
http://ec.europa.eu/employment_social/social_security_schemes/switzerland_en.htm

From the site: “Therefore the information in the guide "The Community provisions on social security - Your rights when moving within the European Union" in principle also applies in relation to Switzerland. However, slightly different rules apply concerning sickness insurance, unemployment benefits, and occupational benefits schemes for old-age, survivors' and invalidity pensions.”

But what isn’t clear to me is that the “slightly different rules” concerning unemployment benefits seem to only mention employed workers in Switzerland who have a residence permit of less than one year. I'm not an expert on this since I dont live in Switzerland (yet), but aren't the residence permits usually on a year or more? So, the website doesn't really give me the answer of the situation when the permit is on one year (or more), but you get fired after a shorter time. But looking at your answers above, this case seems to be covered too (?).
I checked out this link from miniMia earlier this week, and found the same thing - it didn't really help me either. However, as stated above, I got in touch with my local Office Cantonal de l'Emploi and they confirmed that as an EU citizen who has worked previously within the EU, I am eligible for Swiss unemployment benefits even though I have not been working in Switzerland for the "normally necessary" 12 months within the last 2 years.

I have to get the UK tax authorities to complete an E301 form (this is the same form throughout the EU) to give to the Swiss authorities as proof that I have paid sufficient contributions in the UK, and then I will get the unemployment benefits. As far as I can understand, there is no reason why the same would not apply to you as long as you are an EU national who has previously worked in the EU.

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Thanks (yes, still manually )! It couldn't be more clear now. Good luck with the authorities and with your situation.
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Thanks (yes, still manually )! It couldn't be more clear now. Good luck with the authorities and with your situation.
No problem - good luck with the interviews and I hope you don't ever need to use the advice in this thread!
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Old 12.12.2008, 16:33
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Thank you all! I’ve never seen an internet forum with this many helpful people. Now, if I could only find the “thank you button” I would use it J.

miniMia, I think I found your site:

From the site: “Therefore the information in the guide "The Community provisions on social security - Your rights when moving within the European Union" in principle also applies in relation to Switzerland. However, slightly different rules apply concerning sickness insurance, unemployment benefits, and occupational benefits schemes for old-age, survivors' and invalidity pensions.”


But what isn’t clear to me is that the “slightly different rules” concerning unemployment benefits seem to only mention employed workers in Switzerland who have a residence permit of less than one year. I'm not an expert on this since I dont live in Switzerland (yet), but aren't the residence permits usually on a year or more? So, the website doesn't really give me the answer of the situation when the permit is on one year (or more), but you get fired after a shorter time. But looking at your answers above, this case seems to be covered too (?).
I see the like works now. But that is not the page I wanted though I was linking to. (Or I'm looking at too many websites!!)

The wording is a bit confusing. I have found other sites the describe the situations per country. Basically they say that your time working in anther EU/EEA country (ie. the time you paid unemployment insurance) can be used (transferred) to your new country of residence in order for you to meet the requirements.

I think the bold part is in reference to not meeting the qualifications for the Swiss unemployment (ie. worked for 12 months). But I can't be sure.

But our good friend GenevaSculler has done the leg work for us! Go on over to your local ORP!
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Old 12.12.2008, 16:37
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Ok, I think I finally found what I wanted:
This is a PDF that explains it. You can pick from many languages.
http://ec.europa.eu/employment_socia...n_en.cfm?id=25





(sorry for all my post clarifying things! I want to be as efficient as GoldTop one day!!)
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

I basically am in the same position. I have been late for work twice in six months, once through oversleeping and my partners car broke down whilst I was on my lunch break. I have a feeling that I am going to be sacked without even a warning as the director said he was extremely unhappy with me. I worked in fribourg for three months last november and since july in geneva. what position does that put me in as far as the dole is concerned if i do get the sack? good luck to everyone in the same position and even though its hard at the mo, seasons greetings
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Re: EU nationals fired shortly after arriving in Switzerland ?

Happened to me today.

Ironicly while i had exactly this thread on my screen.
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I basically am in the same position. I have been late for work twice in six months, once through oversleeping and my partners car broke down whilst I was on my lunch break. I have a feeling that I am going to be sacked without even a warning as the director said he was extremely unhappy with me. I worked in fribourg for three months last november and since july in geneva. what position does that put me in as far as the dole is concerned if i do get the sack? good luck to everyone in the same position and even though its hard at the mo, seasons greetings
To qualify for unemployment benefits, you should have contributed unemployment premiums for 12 months during the previous 24 months. Employment in another EU country may be counted to determine eligibility.
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