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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

This is pretty much how it would appear in the UK press too. I love the Australian use of the word "compo". It adds almost a lottery-win image
(which I am sure is far from the truth)

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"A former trainee mine worker has won a compensation payout from her employer, which she claimed bullied and harassed her for not signing an AWA."

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Hers a good example of how "mobbing" would be reported in "Australian" English.
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.as...ontentID=23905
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

my boss has tried "mobbing" me but sadly, I just ignored him and he gave up.

now his boss seems to be trying it to our whole group.

my wife thinks it's a short-bald sydrome. Any victims of "mobbing" care to contribute to this statistic?
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

Unforutnately mobbing seems to begin in such a subtle way that the "victim" isn't aware that it's happening for some time. Usually by the time the victim realises the seriousness of whats going on, it is normally too late to keep the required proof i.e. emails covering their backside etc.

It's a slow "dripping tap" that gets to the victim psychologically...."did I imagine that just happened/was said".
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Why is the Swiss workplace susceptible to this 'mobbing'? Is it something particularly common to Germanic cultures or is it more common in Switzerland than elsewhere? I am part of a Germanic culture myself, but do not recognize this at all, and I am trying to understand where it is coming from, what is driving these people

(Having lived in many Anglo-Saxon cultures, the whole concept feels rather alien but that is just my impression...)

My experience in Germany is that many Germans are insecure - they like things done a certain way or they behave in a certain way, cos it makes them feel secure - anything done another way induces a state of panic - thus there is a generalised movement to keep things in an organised state and to punish anyone who doesn´t toe the line (I guess to some extent I have experienced this as speaking out about things that I didn´t approve of didn´t win me any brownie points and I´ve been pretty much left to my own devices). Mobbing IMO is also induced when a boss who doesn´t have the necessary experience for a position starts feeling insecure esp when there are people below him are more qualified or "outspoken" and appear to be making him lose face. Litespeed´s discussion elsewhere is a really good example of this.

I think in Anglo-Saxon cultures the mentality is different, hence muze I agree that mobbing in other cultures feels a bit alien..

Apologies to any Germans or Swiss reading this that take offence - my comments are borne from my experience in one place and I realise that they may not apply to every person.
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my boss has tried "mobbing" me but sadly, I just ignored him and he gave up.

now his boss seems to be trying it to our whole group.

my wife thinks it's a short-bald sydrome. Any victims of "mobbing" care to contribute to this statistic?
funny u should mention the "short-bald syndrome" cuz when i was mobbed in my previous job the culprit was a "short" witch and now i know someone who is being mobbed by yet another "short" witch. when my previous boss wouldnt listen to reason i told her to fire me and wait out the notice period or pay me what was due or i'll get my lawyer on to her, in the end she fired me and told me i didnt have to come to work and she ended up paying.
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

That's odd Eireann, I could have posted the same about my work experience in the UK. Correction, you do actually have a drone telling you that your comments will be taken on board as opposed to have someone telling you to shut up and do your job in Germanic culture but the end result is the same... I think it might be more a case of "bloody foreigner telling me how to do my job"
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

My experience has not been of harassment in the personal sense - they would have to get up pretty early in the morning to get one up on me in that way - but more having bosses that don't listen to concerns or issues around their area of responsibility and more importantly do not make decisions that are key to progress.

I have worked on several projects where no one really knew who was calling the shots. This adds to the stress of the individual and serves to demotivate. Then when the deadline hits and issues surface, the witch-hunt starts.

If you are young, inexperienced or submissive it can put a huge strain on you.

As an aside, I did one assignment recently, where during the whole six months, I was not asked my opinion once by the project manager. MAybe he was unwilling to show weakness ? It was really bizarre. That didn't stop me voicing it of course

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My experience in Germany is that many Germans are insecure - they like things done a certain way or they behave in a certain way, cos it makes them feel secure - anything done another way induces a state of panic - thus there is a generalised movement to keep things in an organised state and to punish anyone who doesn´t toe the line (I guess to some extent I have experienced this as speaking out about things that I didn´t approve of didn´t win me any brownie points and I´ve been pretty much left to my own devices). Mobbing IMO is also induced when a boss who doesn´t have the necessary experience for a position starts feeling insecure esp when there are people below him are more qualified or "outspoken" and appear to be making him lose face. Litespeed´s discussion elsewhere is a really good example of this.

I think in Anglo-Saxon cultures the mentality is different, hence muze I agree that mobbing in other cultures feels a bit alien..

Apologies to any Germans or Swiss reading this that take offence - my comments are borne from my experience in one place and I realise that they may not apply to every person.
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Mobbing at work

Maybe someone can give me some useful advice here? I work in a small team for a couple of months now, being put down all the time in a very weird way. Either I get ranted at by one of my two work 'mates' or lately I have started getting the silent treatment. I have continued to do my job in the best way possible, up until now. There was a bust up over simply nothing, which caused me to speak to my boss. The solution would probably be to speak the guy / girl who is harassing me, but I don't think that will have a positive outcome, I believe this will even cause more tension. Has anyone had any similar experiences that they would like to share, or maybe even give some useful advice how to handle this very tricky situation?

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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

Swiss Miss 81, I've moved your post to an existing thread on mobbing. Hope you find some useful information. Good Luck.
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

As a rule mobbing arises in companies lacking professional staff-development strategies or because of poor management at various levels that are unable to implement the tactical steps of a strategy decided at the top. Another reason is the buddy-buddy culture here (army friends, clubs (Vereine etc). Old "friends" get preferential treatment even if they are holding postions they should not be holding. Mobbing is the cheapest way to get rid of uncomfortable staff members, and so avoid costly and morally correct "Kündigungen".

This is one aspect.

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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

I have been in management for a number of years (in the US and Europe), and testified in a harassment case in the US. I am an American and have never heard this term. Very interesting, as we have all sorts of "harassment" lawsuits in my litigious home region of Silicon Valley. Will have to put this on my radar.

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We use the word harassment as far as I am aware? I don't know. Do you have any ideas for expressions in American English shell? Anyway, like you said, the word "mobbing" is not known by most Americans and I've never heard it used within this context.


I thought so as well. Leo said as much.
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I think this is an exclusively Swiss term? My intermediate German instructor (Swiss from Basel) and I had a heated discussion about its meaning in class last autumn, as she insisted it only applied to bullying in schools. Having seen "Mobbing" used in the press and on TV applied almost exclusively to the workplace I was having problems understanding her. That being the case, I am not sure if the Germans use "Mobbing" in terms of abuse at the workplace in the same way that the Swiss German do. It is most definitely not an English word, at least not in the same manner as they use it.
It is not exclusively Swiss. Used the same way in Danish, also about workplace bullying.

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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

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My experience in Germany is that many Germans are insecure - they like things done a certain way or they behave in a certain way, cos it makes them feel secure - anything done another way induces a state of panic - thus there is a generalised movement to keep things in an organised state and to punish anyone who doesn´t toe the line (I guess to some extent I have experienced this as speaking out about things that I didn´t approve of didn´t win me any brownie points and I´ve been pretty much left to my own devices). Mobbing IMO is also induced when a boss who doesn´t have the necessary experience for a position starts feeling insecure esp when there are people below him are more qualified or "outspoken" and appear to be making him lose face. Litespeed´s discussion elsewhere is a really good example of this.

I think in Anglo-Saxon cultures the mentality is different, hence muze I agree that mobbing in other cultures feels a bit alien..

Apologies to any Germans or Swiss reading this that take offence - my comments are borne from my experience in one place and I realise that they may not apply to every person.
Eireann this is a good summary of what happened to me thanks.
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

"Mobbing" is a worldwide used term and the fact you never heard of it doesn't mean it's not or it can't be used in your country. In Italy is heavily used as well (unfortunately).
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

No its not. It purports to be an English word, but I have never heard it used by English people in this context or in the media.

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"Mobbing" is a worldwide used term and the fact you never heard of it doesn't mean it's not or it can't be used in your country. In Italy is heavily used as well (unfortunately).
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

Yes it is:

"In the book MOBBING: Emotional Abuse in the American Workplace, the authors claim that mobbing is typically found in work environments that have poorly organized production and/or working methods and incapable or inattentive management and that mobbing victims are usually "exceptional individuals who demonstrated intelligence, competence, creativity, integrity, accomplishment and dedication".[1]:
Though the English word mob denotes a crowd, often in a destructive or hostile mood, the German and several other European languages have adopted mobbing as a loanword to describe all forms of bullying including that by single persons. The resultant German verb mobben can also be used for physical attacks, calumny against schoolteachers on the internet and intimidation by superiors, with an emphasis on the victims' continuous fear rather than the perpetrators' will to exclude them. The word may thus be a false friend in translation back into English, where mobbing in its primary sense denotes a disorderly gathering by a crowd and in workplace psychology narrowly refers to "ganging up" by others to harass and intimidate an individual."

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No its not. It purports to be an English word, but I have never heard it used by English people in this context or in the media.

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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

Mobbing Definition from www.urbandictionary.com (the defacto standard for english in the modern world baby). I say colloquial english beats out any of the definitions from the other sources posted in this thread.


1. Driving around with your friends and/or bitches, bumping music, having a good time, and hopefully picking up some more bitches.
Chase and I went mobbing last night and picked up some hoes.

2. To go tagging, preferably with your krew members, non-stop, for a period of time.
Jon and i went mobbing in the allys last night

3. Going tagging for a period of time
Will and i went mobbing in the allys last night


(If you don't know what tagging is, look it up)
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No it's not

We are talking about general use of the word in English speaking countries, not some webpage or academic text which has picked the term up from a Swedish psychologist. As many with long experience in organisations large and small have said, harrasment or bullying are the terms associated with situation in English speaking countries. I even asked some HR type friends back in Australia and they were completely unaware of the term "mobbing" in this context.

Personally I've only heard it used here in Switzerland, and so many times, I would be under the impression that the main activity in the Swiss workplace is bullying.
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Personally I've only heard it used here in Switzerland, and so many times, I would be under the impression that the main activity in the Swiss workplace is bullying.
must agree ... was not familiar with this at all until a German co-worker accused one of my colleagues of this ....
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

I was mobbed... It was pretty unpleasant.

One day the manager was around my desk complaining about umlauts or something. I was preoccupied with locating a horrible smell I had detected to pay attention. So he went on, and on and on like only they can in püntner-deutsch. I looked around and around and low and behold on my shoe. There it was. I had stepped in dog-sh!! As I located it. So did he. The smell hit him. He looked at me as if he were in some kind of surreal business theatre.

And on that note, I formally resigned.
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