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Old 04.03.2011, 00:44
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There are maybe others out there who are in a similar situation and unsure what to do.
I got this too in the beginning. My boss was even part of it. I got angry, so I fought it back in a productive way. I out-hustled, out-worked and out-produced them in the last couple of years. In the process, aligned myself to the corporation's direction, and allied myself with executives above my bosses' level.

Now, I am in the process of firing them. But not really in the sense of causing them to lose their jobs. I'm simply moving up to a higher level group and leaving them behind. Organizationally, I moved above my previous department. My ex-boss basically apologized and asked me not to leave, but I did point out to him that such things have repercussions and he should have thought about it earlier. We are parting in a mutally respectable manner. Afterall, he can't do much about it.

Whatever others may be going through, work with your head and not your emotions. You are there for a job. Do it well and you ought to be fine.
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Old 04.03.2011, 06:58
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.... You are there for a job. Do it well and you ought to be fine.
Unless you are doing it so well that your are a threat to other vested interests.

I know too many people who've been mobbed out who've been very good at what they do, and are decent people. Sometimes there's nothing to do except leave - or sell your soul.
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Unless you are doing it so well that your are a threat to other vested interests.

I know too many people who've been mobbed out who've been very good at what they do, and are decent people. Sometimes there's nothing to do except leave - or sell your soul.

Mobbing is basically psychological. Your first line of defense is to keep your own head intact. Manage that, and you can better navigate your way out of it. When a mobbing does not have the intended effect on the target, the mobbers end up looking awfully childish and foolish. But don't forget, you are there primarily to work. Do that well, and you should be fine.
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

The latest update is that one of my team members (external) was fired for asking questions and disagreeing with the boss.

Apparently the rest of us have nothing to worry about though

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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

Since I know it, "mobbing" is an international word. It was conied in 1688 from a Latin expression - mobile vulgus - that means vandals - from wiki
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

If anyone is interested an international movement has been formed that is interested in better ways of working called Stoos.

We will be meeting on Monday August 12th at 18:30 at Kennedy's Bar close to the main train station.

http://www.stoosnetwork-zurich.ch/

http://www.meetup.com/Stoos-Satellite-Zurich/
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

This is so unfortunate, I would never in my life believe that this would happen to me too. Amazingly all the stories resemble themselves and mine as well. From the envious, conniving boss to the backstabbing HR person. This is such a disgrace. Unfortunately It's still not over with me since they try to mess up with my Zeugnis. So sad that in this really nice place things like that are so common. For me it was a rude wakening when people I trusted and liked turned their backs at me in a rude, arrogant and even racist way. That's that, I lost my job and now I'm looking for a new one.
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Old 23.09.2013, 21:39
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This is so unfortunate, I would never in my life believe that this would happen to me too. Amazingly all the stories resemble themselves and mine as well. From the envious, conniving boss to the backstabbing HR person. This is such a disgrace. Unfortunately It's still not over with me since they try to mess up with my Zeugnis. So sad that in this really nice place things like that are so common. For me it was a rude wakening when people I trusted and liked turned their backs at me in a rude, arrogant and even racist way. That's that, I lost my job and now I'm looking for a new one.
About "they try to mess up with my Zeugnis."

Take it to the RAV/Arbeitsamt & ask them to talk to your employer; usually they can fix it.
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About "they try to mess up with my Zeugnis."

Take it to the RAV/Arbeitsamt & ask them to talk to your employer; usually they can fix it.
Thanks Marton, I'm going to talk to my lawyer next week and see what we can do.
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Old 23.09.2013, 21:55
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Thanks Marton, I'm going to talk to my lawyer next week and see what we can do.
Talk to the RAV/Arbeitsamt first; employers are more frightened of them than they are of lawyers.
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Talk to the RAV/Arbeitsamt first; employers are more frightened of them than they are of lawyers.
Why is it like that?
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Old 23.09.2013, 22:00
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Why is it like that?
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This is so unfortunate, I would never in my life believe that this would happen to me too. Amazingly all the stories resemble themselves and mine as well. From the envious, conniving boss to the backstabbing HR person. This is such a disgrace. Unfortunately It's still not over with me since they try to mess up with my Zeugnis. So sad that in this really nice place things like that are so common. For me it was a rude wakening when people I trusted and liked turned their backs at me in a rude, arrogant and even racist way. That's that, I lost my job and now I'm looking for a new one.
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I am very sorry to hear about your experience. Yes, it is sad that people behave in such a manner. I have helped a number of people get through this process buy keeping their jobs or leaving. The objective in all of this is too keep your sense of self worth

The reality is that this is a different place. They do things differently here. Whether we agree or not is not the point. We can remain the victim or we can get on with it. Its tough out there.

There is a better way of working and hopefully more companies will change. But if we talk about our experiences maybe we can help others.

Check out Stoos a better way of working
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Hi

I am very sorry to hear about your experience. Yes, it is sad that people behave in such a manner. I have helped a number of people get through this process buy keeping their jobs or leaving. The objective in all of this is too keep your sense of self worth

The reality is that this is a different place. They do things differently here. Whether we agree or not is not the point. We can remain the victim or we can get on with it. Its tough out there.

There is a better way of working and hopefully more companies will change. But if we talk about our experiences maybe we can help others.

Check out Stoos a better way of working
Thanks for the kind reply. Fortunately I'm already out of this place, enjoying the stress-free and petty work-politics free placid environment. I'm almost over it but it's unfortunate that I still have to deal with their misconduct regarding my Zeugnis.
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Thanks for the kind reply. Fortunately I'm already out of this place, enjoying the stress-free and petty work-politics free placid environment. I'm almost over it but it's unfortunate that I still have to deal with their misconduct regarding my Zeugnis.
Very glad to hear that you are now in a happier environment. A friend of mine suffered a very short bout of mobbing. He waited until he was alone with the ring leader and punched him in the mouth. End of overnight. Maybe not entirely good advice but there really is a time and a place for a nice bit of violence in the office.
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Thanks Marton, I'm going to talk to my lawyer next week and see what we can do.
Unfortunately lawyers are not good in CH! machines to make money
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Very glad to hear that you are now in a happier environment. A friend of mine suffered a very short bout of mobbing. He waited until he was alone with the ring leader and punched him in the mouth. End of overnight. Maybe not entirely good advice but there really is a time and a place for a nice bit of violence in the office.
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If anyone is interested an international movement has been formed that is interested in better ways of working called Stoos.

We will be meeting on Monday August 12th at 18:30 at Kennedy's Bar close to the main train station.

http://www.stoosnetwork-zurich.ch/

http://www.meetup.com/Stoos-Satellite-Zurich/
I was mobbed too. The person that created the problem was a foreign with different culture and prospective on women, I was representing a thread to him from the beginning. But since a senior manager was praising me in front of his boss, he started to obstacle me in every way, snaking nasty ways.
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I think this is an exclusively Swiss term? My intermediate German instructor (Swiss from Basel) and I had a heated discussion about its meaning in class last autumn, as she insisted it only applied to bullying in schools. Having seen "Mobbing" used in the press and on TV applied almost exclusively to the workplace I was having problems understanding her. That being the case, I am not sure if the Germans use "Mobbing" in terms of abuse at the workplace in the same way that the Swiss German do. It is most definitely not an English word, at least not in the same manner as they use it.
Switzerland –Swiss people has serious problems with languages! After hearing the umpteenth time from some Swiss people (people with a “high” education) having troubles to understand German language, I have the impression they can speak many languages but without having a fully understanding of their own mother tongue! Of course a similar situation generates incomprehension for abstracted concepts. On the other hand can it create a “domino” effect leading to a status of frustration and irremediably to bullying? Switzerland is technologically advanced and in the same time the “workers/employees” (any grade) do not have many rights, in fact anyone can be fired any time and with no reason! Is it an umpteenth example of bullying? What do you think?
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Switzerland –Swiss people has serious problems with languages! After hearing the umpteenth time from some Swiss people (people with a “high” education) having troubles to understand German language, I have the impression they can speak many languages but without having a fully understanding of their own mother tongue! Of course a similar situation generates incomprehension for abstracted concepts. On the other hand can it create a “domino” effect leading to a status of frustration and irremediably to bullying? Switzerland is technologically advanced and in the same time the “workers/employees” (any grade) do not have many rights, in fact anyone can be fired any time and with no reason! Is it an umpteenth example of bullying? What do you think?
Actually their mother tongue is Swiss German of which there are many dialects.

Nope, it's just the way things are here. It's the same in the US btw, you can be fired at the drop of a hat.
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