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Old 19.01.2014, 23:27
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

Yes, it's true, there is a large esoteric community in Switzerland, but... when I was a child, when all these things started happening to me and as a teen I was not surrounded by open-minded people. My parents said: if it interests you, Ok do it, but for god sake don't offer any of that to our friends or relatives. Keep it to yourself! My mum had read or heard about these things, but still felt unconfortable if I talked about it in front of her friends.
Neighbours were not in that line, later on, very few in offices seemed to be on the same path as I was. And one spends 8 hours a day in the office...


That is why I did join esoteric, spiritual groups for meditation, spiritual healing and contacting the spirit world.


But out in the normal world I still have to be careful to whom I talk about it because many are academic-minded and do not believe what they can't touch. So, one sticks to small talk bla-bla before one is not sure, whether they might be open to the other world or not. You can't tell from the looks of a person whether they are open to it or not, you only know when they get the scared look in their eyes you say: Sh... was the wrong person to talk to about it!


That is why I meet up with others I know from esoteric courses, because to them all that is normal, well for them the paranormal is also normal.


Perhaps I was just unfortunate not being surrounded by people open to all the inexplicable.


My male cousin experiences probably something similar on a very different subject. We all know he is gay and for us relatives no problem at all. But... his parents still negate that fact and tell everybody he is just living with a good mate to share the rent, although he has a super salary... So, they expect him to lie to everybody. He has moved to Munich where no one knows him and his boyfriend. When he visits his parents in Switzerland the subject is taboo and nobody is allowed to talk about it. Surprisingly nobody ever did. All secret although everybody knew... Big comedy all the way through. Ridiculous, but true for some.
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I’ve followed events of the thread below by litespeed, and recently, a radio discussion on this subject. I thought I would start a new thread re: MOBBING.
http://www.englishforum.ch/employment/308-i-think-i-am-about-lose-my-job.html


I have known a number of unlucky friends who have found themselves in similar situations or worse – jobless! IMO this “method” of bullying seems to have been known, used and ‘gotten away with’, for sometime here in CH. I think that people working in CH, or wanting to, should at least be aware of it. Slowly mobbing and its effects are now being recognised.


Litespeed was brave enough to fight back and get what he was entitled to. There are maybe others out there who are in a similar situation and unsure what to do.



What is Mobbing?
The term used "mobbing" comes from the word mob. Its semantic field includes both abuse and attack, and it relates to situations where people at work are systematically or regularly placed under severe psychological strain through negative treatment or negative forms of communication over a longer period of time.



Are there are any other people who have had similar experiences - whilst working in CH? Why not share your thoughts/experiences that may help someone else?



More info:
http://www.respect.ethz.ch/faq/mobbing/index_EN
i am experiencing right now, what it looks like being a Big amount of Mobbing against me, and i would like to share it with someone, because psychologically it is something very heavy, and probably there are others,out there,who may experience the same situation in a Land,wher people speak a foreign language,and this makes it all even more difficult to handle...

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I agree with those who've written that it's usually called bullying in English, yet that doesn't really convey the aspect of a group of people ganging up on one person. The German usage of "Mobbing" expresses that many-against-one idea.

In any case, I just wanted to mention a dreadful story I just heard about concerning mobbing at [company details removed]. It was classic: the HR manager did the easy and cowardly thing of siding with the bullies. I would never work for that company.

Bottom line: never, ever make the mistake of thinking that the HR department is there for the employees. It represents solely the interests of the company and its management. If you're unfortunate enough to become the target of bullying/mobbing, HR is the last place I'd go for help. Like at [company details removed], too many HR managers are woefully uneducated about this issue, which is pretty shocking when you consider what has been known and written about it in the past, oh, twenty years. So they just take the easy way out.

I just wanted to add that I heard about this from a friend of a friend who works at [company details removed]. She said this isn't the first time this has happened at that company since the new HR manager was hired. I don't know the details of this particular case, so my main point is that HR managers are classically the worst culprits.

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Old 04.06.2015, 11:58
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

Hello,
since the thread has been ressurected, here's my take on it.
From my experience, some HR managers believe that there's no such thing as mobbing. They see the phenomenons usually associated with mobbing as legitimate behavior which society undertakes to punish an individual.
The punished individual has done some irredeemable crime against society, and very often the individual never gets to know what that "crime" was, and never gets a chance to defend.

I know about a mobbing case where the HR manager simply said "well, of course they do these things to you. They probably think you're not a nice person!".

While I do feel I am stepping into a minefield here, my subjective impression of Swiss society is that uniform behavior is more encouraged.
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Old 04.06.2015, 12:05
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

But on the other hand, there are employees who are just bl**dy useless at their job and complain of 'mobbing' to HR when some action is taken against them.
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

Yes, I agree entirely. It's the easy way out. Just blame the victim.

And yes, Tom1234, that's true, but it's really a different issue.

The case I heard about was evidently well documented and the HR manager still just reprimanded the victim and the other parties got off scott-free.
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Old 04.06.2015, 12:26
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I just wanted to add that I heard about this from a friend of a friend who works at [company details removed]. She said this isn't the first time this has happened at that company since the new HR manager was hired. I don't know the details of this particular case, so my main point is that HR managers are classically the worst culprits.

So good old "heresay" then, no direct contact.

As for HR managers, just remind who pays them, the employee or the employer ?

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Old 04.06.2015, 12:28
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I do love to see a company's reputation damaged on the basis of hearsay. It warms the cockadoodles of my hearth.
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Old 04.06.2015, 12:35
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

When an employee is incompetent, there are standard ways to handle this.
I mean: Performance review, goals and so on.

Documented mobbing- being denied of receiving one's: goals, project deadlines, critical changes in management decisions. Also: being thrown out of meetings by having the location secretly shared between the others.
Such behaviors are not legitimate in my opinion and a person trying to work under such conditions is not complaining for nothing.

Impolite behavior: not saying "good morning" and so on- well, we're supposed to ignore such things. There's no sure way to tell what this is.
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Old 04.06.2015, 12:49
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Impolite behavior: not saying "good morning" and so on- well, we're supposed to ignore such things. There's no sure way to tell what this is.
You ought to try working with a load of software engineers. A cheery "Good morning"?

I doubt it but you may get the odd grunt if you're lucky.
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I do love to see a company's reputation damaged on the basis of hearsay. It warms the cockadoodles of my hearth.
Yeah, well, that's what reputations are, right?

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So good old "heresay" then, no direct contact.

As for HR managers, just remind who pays them, the employee or the employer ?
Spoken like a true bully.

My reply pertained to this comment.

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You ought to try working with a load of software engineers. A cheery "Good morning"?

I doubt it but you may get the odd grunt if you're lucky.
You must be a Project Leader or Requirements Engineer, the natural enemies of Software Engineers. Within SE's there is no problem at all.

But if you really feel that this behaviour is not ok....open an Incident Ticket...
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Bottom line: never, ever make the mistake of thinking that the HR department is there for the employees. It represents solely the interests of the company and its management. If you're unfortunate enough to become the target of bullying/mobbing, HR is the last place I'd go for help. Like at [company details removed], too many HR managers are woefully uneducated about this issue, which is pretty shocking when you consider what has been known and written about it in the past, oh, twenty years. So they just take the easy way out.
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So good old "heresay" then, no direct contact.

As for HR managers, just remind who pays them, the employee or the employer ?

HR typically only advises on rights and responsibilities according to laws and company policies. They don't have leverage over a manager, unless the manager is in violation of something. They also don't necessarily advocate for individuals. They typically only tell you as it is. I don't think professional life should be confused with parochial schools.

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HR typically only advises on rights and responsibilities according to laws and company policies. They don't have leverage over a manager, unless the manager is in violation of something. They also don't necessarily advocate for individuals. They typically only tell you as it is. I don't think professional life should be confused with parochial schools.
That is absolutely not true. There are companies and companies, and some of the better ones have mechanisms in place to influence managers (and to put them in order) if he does not behave properly. At the end of the day, it is better for the company if there is no bullying, inappropriate behavior or de-motivation of staff.

It is a fine line, and many HR people are not quite up to the task. It is not easy, after all.
But the good companies have means to protect employees.
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Old 04.06.2015, 15:32
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That is absolutely not true. There are companies and companies, and some of the better ones have mechanisms in place to influence managers (and to put them in order) if he does not behave properly. At the end of the day, it is better for the company if there is no bullying, inappropriate behavior or de-motivation of staff.
Key bolded here. But often quite subjective. I find it more to be true in the US, where the people are litigation happy. But I get the impression it is more objective here. Although I'm not sure, because I've never felt mobbed, nor mobbed anybody. But I have seen overly sensitive people who have felt mobbed. Then again, I'm somewhat thick skinned.
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I agree with those who've written that it's usually called bullying in English, yet that doesn't really convey the aspect of a group of people ganging up on one person. The German usage of "Mobbing" expresses that many-against-one idea.

In any case, I just wanted to mention a dreadful story I just heard about concerning mobbing at [company details removed]. It was classic: the HR manager did the easy and cowardly thing of siding with the bullies. I would never work for that company.

Bottom line: never, ever make the mistake of thinking that the HR department is there for the employees. It represents solely the interests of the company and its management. If you're unfortunate enough to become the target of bullying/mobbing, HR is the last place I'd go for help. Like at [company details removed], too many HR managers are woefully uneducated about this issue, which is pretty shocking when you consider what has been known and written about it in the past, oh, twenty years. So they just take the easy way out.
Anyone who thinks HR is there for the employees is totally delusional.. HR is there to protect the company from the employees.
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Anyone who thinks HR is there for the employees is totally delusional.. HR is there to protect the company from the employees.
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I used to know a Swiss hillbilly called that.

His brother and sister, too: Billy-Bobli and Mary-Annli.
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Odd. You called Today Only a true bully for saying the same thing.
There i was thinking i was being mobbed, I better give you a bit of rep for that one, thank you !
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