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Old 04.06.2015, 21:56
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HR typically only advises on rights and responsibilities according to laws and company policies. They don't have leverage over a manager, unless the manager is in violation of something. They also don't necessarily advocate for individuals. They typically only tell you as it is. I don't think professional life should be confused with parochial schools.
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They have a veto over recruitment of new people so unless you want to have an ever declining team then you have to do some brown nosing.
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When an employee is incompetent, there are standard ways to handle this.
I mean: Performance review, goals and so on.

Documented mobbing- being denied of receiving one's: goals, project deadlines, critical changes in management decisions. Also: being thrown out of meetings by having the location secretly shared between the others.
Such behaviors are not legitimate in my opinion and a person trying to work under such conditions is not complaining for nothing.

Impolite behavior: not saying "good morning" and so on- well, we're supposed to ignore such things. There's no sure way to tell what this is.
To be honest, this sounds like disorganization rather than mobbing. It's a sad state of affairs for sure, but not really mobbing.

Also not sure about the meetings part: I have known people who felt mobbed for just not being included in every single conversation between team members...quite ridiculous.
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To be honest, this sounds like disorganization rather than mobbing. It's a sad state of affairs for sure, but not really mobbing.

Also not sure about the meetings part: I have known people who felt mobbed for just not being included in every single conversation between team members...quite ridiculous.
You are assuming that the chaos is same for all and all are treated equally and fairly. Quite a big assumption, I'd say.

Those people who felt ignored, were they invited to the meeting that was secretly relocated to another company building?
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You must be a Project Leader or Requirements Engineer, the natural enemies of Software Engineers. Within SE's there is no problem at all.

But if you really feel that this behaviour is not ok....open an Incident Ticket...
That note on the guy's back could not have been written by a real software engineer. Any SE worth his/her salt would've immediately spotted the dangling reference to "answer 1" and fixed it.
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Naive!
They have a veto over recruitment of new people so unless you want to have an ever declining team then you have to do some brown nosing.
Functionally, HR I've seen is criteria, policy and process driven, not decision making. The aren't responsible for the performance of departments and teams, and are not in a position to make decisions for them. They only look at whether certain conditions are met for actions taken. Sure, they put a human touch to the process, and might even express sympathy if they wish, but they enforce decisions made by management. Some may act like babysitters and nannies, but they are paid to be Governess.

By the way, in cases of mobbing, isn't it almost always the case that the victim/culprit is someone who has made the rest of everybody look bad?
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Re: Mobbing in Switzerland

well,as for my personal experience, Mobbing exists, and it slowly takes you in a psychological mood, which you at a certain poin cannot escape anymore, and you start questioning how good you are,or if it's really you,who has done something wrong.... just then , after much time(some people never even come to the conclusion,that they were right,and the others were mobbing them) you can analyze all the details, and see,that it was all a big bunch of sh.t, created by some people,who evidently have a weight in that particular work environment, and supported by the Chef in charge, who just never gave you any kind of benefit of doubt,about what was really going on, simply pointing at you as the one ,who was in fail.....no,people, Mobbing exists,it's alive, and here in Swiss at least, they give you a lot of papers,claiming ,that there is protection...but in the end you got no support, just have to pack your sh.t together and move on, if your Soul is still intact.....
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