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What jobs are in demand? Physical Labour?

Hello all,

I understand that Finance/Banking, Pharmacutical and IT jobs are in demand, also most jobs I have seen are senior jobs with +10 years of experience either managers or directors, however for those of us that do not specialize in those fields or have that much experience under our belt what options do we have?

I currently work for IBM (Contractor) as an Asset Analyst. The job boils down to tracking and coordinating assets, including warranty, lease and disposals, responsible for creating reports and meeting Audit Compliance.

I also have experience in Software Testing. I have mostly been working in an IT environment. Though I must say I am very flexible and don't mind doing any type of work. I can go from being in an office enviroment meeting with clients to cutting grass .

Are there basic jobs available, physical labour, warehouse, landscaping to EU Citizens? I have done some calculations and we could live off of 50,000 CHF with the same lifestyle we have in Canada. Of course more money is better but it's not the primary concern.

One last quick questions , I know there is no minimum wage but what is the salary of say a cashier at a grocery, and how many hours is considered Part time?

Thank you so much!
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Are there basic jobs available, physical labour, warehouse, landscaping to EU Citizens?
Good luck getting a permit for that kind of job.

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I have done some calculations and we could live off of 50,000 CHF with the same lifestyle we have in Canada. Of course more money is better but it's not the primary concern.
Three people on 50k is going to be rather tight I'd say.

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One last quick questions , I know there is no minimum wage but what is the salary of say a cashier at a grocery,
Depends on the canton. I'd say about 3500 but DaveA is the expert, really.

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Thank you so much!

Anything below 40.
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Re: What jobs are in demand? Physical Labour?

There is no legally binding minimum wage, which is why the unions were after Migros and Coop to pay 3000.-, now I think 3500.- a month to their unskilled staff.

I seriously doubt the retailers - esp Migros, which was the last holdout to begin paying 3000 - have had a change of heart and are voluntarily paying all that much more than that.

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Are there basic jobs available, physical labour, warehouse, landscaping to EU Citizens? I have done some calculations and we could live off of 50,000 CHF with the same lifestyle we have in Canada. Of course more money is better but it's not the primary concern.
The unemployment figure is very low in Switzerland. However, finding jobs that basically anyone can do isn't going to be easy (which isn't Switzerland-specific, though). Why not stick to your asset management experience? You might find something in that area. Have you asked IBM if they could internally re-assign you to some project in Switzerland?

But why would you want to leave Canada anyway?

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Re: What jobs are in demand? Physical Labour?

something about this post niggled, but then I went back and read your intro post (welcome, by the way).

Just out of curiousity, have you tried finding a job - or even asking to be transferred by your current company - in Hungary itself? Permits wouldn't be an issue, economic growth is going pretty strong, and outsourcing of jobs is getting to be pretty big business in Hungary, so English speakers are sought-after.

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something about this post niggled, but then I went back and read your intro post (welcome, by the way).

Just out of curiousity, have you tried finding a job - or even asking to be transferred by your current company - in Hungary itself? Permits wouldn't be an issue, economic growth is going pretty strong, and outsourcing of jobs is getting to be pretty big business in Hungary, so English speakers are sought-after.

I'm not sure that's helpful but not sure enough to have a groan. It's pretty obvious that the desire to come to Switzerland outweighs most other options, however sensible they might appear to others.

Another option would be to try and use the IBM contacts to get a contract position in Switzerland - testing is an area with some demand. With IBM behind a permit application quite a few obstacles can be quickly overcome.
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Re: What jobs are in demand? Physical Labour?

At the place where I work the cashiers get 22.75 chf per hour which works out to roughly 3800 - 4000 chf per month, if working full time. Problem is they only employ sales people on a part time basis. So, 21 hours a week plus overtime which comes to about 2100 chf after tax.

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One last quick questions , I know there is no minimum wage but what is the salary of say a cashier at a grocery, and how many hours is considered Part time?

Thank you so much!
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Re: What jobs are in demand? Physical Labour?

Thank you for the replies,

I certainly wish to continue my work in Testing and/or in Asset Management. The best would be to work for Electronic Arts in Geneva

Honestly I have not looked at jobs yet or have asked IBM as I am not ready to move yet. Saving up more cash and waiting until our 10 month old passes the diaper stage lol

I just found out that in order for me to enter and work in Switzerland a Company will need to sponser me and provide a work permit so the physical labour, general job is out of the question now. When the time comes I will do some serious hunting.

Living off of 50,000 CHF should not be too difficult. I do not argue the fact that Switzerland is expensive but in my opinion it depends on the persons lifestyle. Both my wife and I are laid back, we always focus on reducing expenses and working stress free jobs. I see so many people that have nice cars, leathers jackets, jewlery, go out to restaurants but are not truly fulfilled. They need a high paying job, usually involving overtime and stress to maintain their expensive materialistic lifestyle, in the end it's not worth it, at least not for us, to each his own.

Currently in Canada our total expenses = $1,640 a month

Rent - 800
Food - 340
Internet, Cable, Telephone - 100
Car Insurance - 100
Miscelleneaous -140
Gas - 160

Switzerland (Please correct me or tell me if I missed something)
Note: we will not be living in Geneva, Basel, Bern Zurich

Rent -1500 (70m2 apartment 3 bedrooms)
Food - 410 (340 x20%) - I have read that goods in Switzerland cost about 20% more.
Internet, Cable and phone -150 - Basic cable, high speed internet and Voip phone, we don't make too many calls and we don't use cellphones.
Car insurance - 200 - Drive a 2005 Mazda 3, 2 litre sedan.
Miscelleneaous -200 (again 20% more but let's make it
Gas - 300
Healthcare - 600

1500 + 410 + 150 + 200 + 200 + 300 + 600 = 3360

Let's make it 4,000 CHF a month to make a solid calculation, looking 48,000 a year. If my wife and I made a total of 60,000 CHF after taxes we would be in heaven . Again I could be wrong, I am here to learn afterall
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Re: What jobs are in demand? Physical Labour?

Rather than the 500 CHF in car insurance and gas that you estimated, you could spend 460 CHF per month (or 5100 CHF per year) for unlimited travel passes for the two of you (called Abonnement General in French). Admittedly, these are only for Switzerland and you still have to pay if you want to explore the surrounding countries, but there is so much to see in this country, and the public transport is so good that it works out really well. You also avoid the initial cost of buying the car, and repair costs, and the cost of renting a parking space (which can easily add 50-100 CHF to your rent cost, sometimes more).
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Let's make it 4,000 CHF a month to make a solid calculation, looking 48,000 a year. If my wife and I made a total of 60,000 CHF after taxes we would be in heaven . Again I could be wrong, I am here to learn afterall
I think you are a bit low on your calculations... Especially if you want to move to Geneva.

A three room for 1500CHF, maybe. Remember, in GVA one of those rooms is the kitchen. Of course, GVA is in a housing crisis: there is very little choice on the market. You'd be better off using 1800+ for a calculation for lodging. You might be lucky and get something outside the city for that price.

You'll probably also pay more that what you budget for food, especially with a growing child. Don't forget if the car breaks down or if there is some emergency. Furniture, clothes, public transportation if only one has a car, day care, going out (ever), travel if you need to fly somewhere, etc.

I'm not saying it CAN'T be done, but it won't be a particularly easy way to live.

You should look more for at least 75-80,000.

And again, your biggest hurdle will be the permit. I'm not sure you will get one for the kind of work you are talking about. Nothing is impossible, but some things are much more difficult.
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