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Hi - lets hope some of you can relate to the morning I have had....

I've been working as a 'practicant' as part of an engineering team for approximately a month. Everyday I come into work early and as everyone else arrives, I approach them and ask if there is any work I can do to help them. Without fail at least 1 of them will come back to me with some dull task they simply can't be bothered to get on with themselves, but I finish it, get back to them, remain polite and never complain.......until now.

Most of this week I have been planning and orchestraing the conversation I need to have with my line manager, re-iterating in my rehearsals that I am potentially far more useful to the team and asking what I can do to attract more important and interesting assignments,
however, having just had that very conversation with him I cant help but feel that emotion got the better of me - at one point I declared myself insulted, I also mentioned that I had to go back to university after this year to complete my degree and that I could feel parts of my brain dying while I was here.....

In the end though, he proved himself to be as polite and helpfull as I could have hoped and, in desparation, managed to scavange some calculations he wanted me to put together.

All that I can do now is do a quality job on these, and hope people take note.

I absolutely do not regret clearing the air!
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Old 27.08.2010, 13:36
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Re: Standing up to the boss

Pretty cool of showing such initiative!
Try avoid allowing your emotions getting the better of you. Going forward, what you could perhaps do is write out what you wish to say a few days prior to you approaching your manager. By mulling it over in your mind, you will prepare yourself mentally and it will give you confidence and when speaking to him you will be in control.

Your boss is lucky to have you in his team.
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Re: Standing up to the boss

Good for you maybe. But, by the sounds of it you're young and maybe inexperienced. you wont walk out of uni and into a top job with huge responsibility. any employer will want to test the water with you. find your strengths and weaknesses and losing you cool is never good so you've exposed yourself already. You could have simply had a 1-2-1 and said you're not being challenged enough and need something that can stretch you that’s not going on the business critical path.

Be professional and think of the business and its output and what it delivers, and look for gaps and how you can positively contribute.
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Good for you maybe. But, by the sounds of it you're young and maybe inexperienced. you wont walk out of uni and into a top job with huge responsibility. any employer will want to test the water with you. find your strengths and weaknesses and losing you cool is never good so you've exposed yourself already. You could have simply had a 1-2-1 and said you're not being challenged enough and need something that can stretch you that’s not going on the business critical path.

Be professional and think of the business and its output and what it delivers, and look for gaps and how you can positively contribute.
I'm not sure how to give a quick "thanks" to a post yet (perhaps I can't yet as a newbie), so I'll do it the old fashioned way -

Thanks! this is good advice
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Re: Standing up to the boss

I am sorry, but I won't say well done.

Of course, you are entitled to say whats on your mind, but you have to know how to say it.
A big part of growing up, professionally and otherwise, is learning how to control your emotions and how to deal with other people (especially the unpleasant ones).
Frustration and boredom is an occupational hazard, with most jobs. You just have to learn to either deal with them or navigate around them.

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Good for you maybe. But, by the sounds of it you're young and maybe inexperienced. you wont walk out of uni and into a top job with huge responsibility. any employer will want to test the water with you. find your strengths and weaknesses and losing you cool is never good so you've exposed yourself already. You could have simply had a 1-2-1 and said you're not being challenged enough and need something that can stretch you that’s not going on the business critical path.

Be professional and think of the business and its output and what it delivers, and look for gaps and how you can positively contribute.
Yeah but sometimes it does your head in when you are bored and you just want to hit someone... so good advice from OBone but heck it is easier said than done huh!!!

Careful of the boss too though... maybe he is happy to let life tick by, doesnt mean you have to be....
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Re: Standing up to the boss

If you feel better for cleaning the air, then I think you were correct in having this discussion with your boss. As others said, keeping emotions under control will come with age and experience and I think most of us have probably been in similar situations at some time or other. I did a practical during my studies (a long time ago) and felt similary frustrated at the beginning but by the end of the year I was a fully integrated member of the team and gained so much experience.

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Old 27.08.2010, 14:24
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Re: Standing up to the boss

What great timing for this thread.
Some of you may know that I am as bored as hell here at work and I just soo do not want to start on job satisfaction (very important to me).
In this company bosses are a legion and my superior is a choleric little dictator who compensates his shortcomings with shouting, running around with a bee under his bonnet, stamping his little feet and dressing people down like they are school children. Alone this year I have been threatened with dismissal three times. Long story short He screwed up and I got the blame.
Today is another such day, as a highly qualified prepress techie, specialist in support and workflow and color management expert with two applied for patents I spend my time doing the company's bl00dy christmas cards and calendar. Ah yes the business cards as well.
I was doing my stuff when he told me to stop that and carry on with the calendars.
Ok! No big deal just wanted to finish the job first, another ten minutes top.
Five later in scorches "little agitated one" screams at me why I am not doing what he commanded. Started calling me all silly bu*gers and raised his voice.
I do not have much time for choleric people and told him to back off after that it got loud.
Maybe if I am lucky I will be fired next week then it is back to freelancing.
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What great timing for this thread.
Some of you may know that I am as bored as hell here at work and I just soo do not want to start on job satisfaction (very important to me).
In this company bosses are a legion and my superior is a choleric little dictator who compensates his shortcomings with shouting, running around with a bee under his bonnet, stamping his little feet and dressing people down like they are school children. Alone this year I have been threatened with dismissal three times. Long story short He screwed up and I got the blame.
Today is another such day, as a highly qualified prepress techie, specialist in support and workflow and color management expert with two applied for patents I spend my time doing the company's bl00dy christmas cards and calendar. Ah yes the business cards as well.
I was doing my stuff when he told me to stop that and carry on with the calendars.
Ok! No big deal just wanted to finish the job first, another ten minutes top.
Five later in scorches "little agitated one" screams at me why I am not doing what he commanded. Started calling me all silly bu*gers and raised his voice.
I do not have much time for choleric people and told him to back off after that it got loud.
Maybe if I am lucky I will be fired next week then it is back to freelancing.
I dont know what the law is like here but in the UK you could screw this guy into the wall. make a formal complaint and if it gets worse go off sick with stress and if they sack you, go for unfair dismissel. you'd win a fortune in damages! thats just me thinking aloud
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Re: Standing up to the boss

I started a new role, and spent the first 2 months filling out timesheets.
Then I was given a task to do, which took me until 22.30

Be carefull what you wish for
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I started a new role, and spent the first 2 months filling out timesheets.
Then I was given a task to do, which took me until 22.30

Be carefull what you wish for

Agree, rather sit on the internet and look for porn and smut... :msnto ngue:
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Old 27.08.2010, 14:40
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Re: Standing up to the boss

Probably same here.
This company has done immediate dismissal for smoking, during the pause, out of the house but still on the grounds.
The woman sued, was awarded damages, three years ago not fully paid yet and had a horrific time during the year long court proceedings, this case actually made the newspaper.
Seems the BigBoss just loves this kind of thing, we think out of a "screw you" mentality and it is suspected that he would really enjoy another court case, not too sure that I want the hassle.
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Reminds me of when I started my apprenticeship as a lawyer many moons ago. With three years of a law degree under my belt and a further spell at Law College to pass my professional exams, I was looking forward to getting my teeth into some serious lawyering at last. A Will or two. Maybe some witness statements to take. To cut a long story short, after two months of photocopying and filing I'd had enough of being a dogsbody. So I went to my boss and pretty much had the same conversation you had domdf.

My boss smiled and apologised. "Ah, you want to get out into the field?" he said.
"Yes!" I said.
"Then I've got just the job for you. I want you to go this address and if so-and so is there, I want you to serve him with this writ."
In those days court orders and summonses to court had to be served personally. I was overjoyed. At last, a real job!
"Thanks!" I said.
"Don't mention it." he replied.

Well I took a bus to what turned out to be the roughest council estate I'd ever seen. And I've seen some rough ones. Dogs and kids everywhere. Front gardens full of rubbish and old tyres. And me in my suit!
I eventually found the address and walked up to the front door. I knocked twice.
A woman in curlers and a fag her mouth answered the door. She didn't say a word. Just looked at me.
"Err is Mr. So-and-So in?" I asked.
She didn't take her eyes off me.
What are you selling?"
"Err, nothing. Is Mr. So-and-So in please?"
She half turned.
"Harry!" she shouted over her shoulder, without taking the cigarette out of her mouth. "There's somebody here to see you."

As I reached into my briefcase and took out the writ, she stepped aside and I saw what looked like a hairy gorilla on steroids come to the door.
I swallowed.
"Err Mr. So-and-so? I asked, hoping I was wrong.
He nodded.
"I'm here to serve you this writ." I held it out to him gingerly. He didn't take it so I touched him with it and let it fall to the ground.
For a second or two we stood there in silence, all three of us, looking down at the writ lying on the door step.
"Wait there, he said. So I did. That is until I saw him coming down the hall with a length of metal pipe in his hand and a nasty glint in his eye.

I'm not embarrassed to say at that point I turned on my heels and fled. There was me running down the middle of the street as fast as my legs would carry me with this guy swearing like a trooper, hot on my heals and the dogs barking their heads off. I kid you not.

When I made it back to the office my boss asked to see me.
"Did you serve the writ?" he asked.
"Yes." I said.
"How did it go?"
"Fine!" I lied.
I swear I could hear him chuckling to himself as I left and closed the door behind me.
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you are getting paid arent you ? but not paid to lose your cooll with your boss, thats the problem with so many people nowadays, they think the world owes them a living, you should learn some respect for your your boss who provides the food and housing the salary you are paid gives you.
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you are getting paid arent you ? but not paid to lose your cooll with your boss, thats the problem with so many people nowadays, they think the world owes them a living, you should learn some respect for your your boss who provides the food and housing the salary you are paid gives you.
And that is why you should just surf the net and look at porn if he doesnt give you any work.

Show some respect man!!!!!!
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you are getting paid arent you ? but not paid to lose your cooll with your boss, thats the problem with so many people nowadays, they think the world owes them a living, you should learn some respect for your your boss who provides the food and housing the salary you are paid gives you.
Interesting aspect, grateful for work? Yes, hell yes, respect my boss also no problem..
But when does "work" take a turn for the worst? At what point does it stop being a place where I want to spend the time that I am willing to sell to the company.
I value my abilities more, far more than sitting around doing something that I did twenty years ago, I would like to think that I have moved on, progressed, I have always strived to better myself and I want all the effort, blood sweat and a lot of tears to be worth something.
It can not be all for nothing.
Over years you find your way around the idiosyncrasies of people and you learn to live and let live, if in doing so you have to take one for the team from time to time, then so be it.
But not beaten down and put in your place day by day to feel utterly worthless and spend your time trying not to make too much noise incase you incur the wrath of the boss.
That is not my way, even if I do get paid for doing practically nothing of importance whatsoever.
Waking up in the morning wondering if there is any excuse you can use in order not to face sitting, sitting, sitting, all day with nothing to look forward to except Feierabend at five.
Entropy is setting in, If I could not spend my time reading the EF all day I really would go crazy.
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Interesting aspect, grateful for work? Yes, hell yes, respect my boss also no problem..
But when does "work" take a turn for the worst? At what point does it stop being a place where I want to spend the time that I am willing to sell to the company.
I value my abilities more, far more than sitting around doing something that I did twenty years ago, I would like to think that I have moved on, progressed, I have always strived to better myself and I want all the effort, blood sweat and a lot of tears to be worth something.
It can not be all for nothing.
Over years you find your way around the idiosyncrasies of people and you learn to live and let live, if in doing so you have to take one for the team from time to time, then so be it.
But not beaten down and put in your place day by day to feel utterly worthless and spend your time trying not to make too much noise incase you incur the wrath of the boss.
That is not my way, even if I do get paid for doing practically nothing of importance whatsoever.
Waking up in the morning wondering if there is any excuse you can use in order not to face sitting, sitting, sitting, all day with nothing to look forward to except Feierabend at five.
Entropy is setting in, If I could not spend my time reading the EF all day I really would go crazy.
If more companies were grateful for their employees rather than expecting employees to be grateful for their salary the world would be a better place.

Arrogance gets companies nowehere and as an employee should work and employer should give work and be happy that their expectations are exceeded...

Too many companies forget that it works both ways...
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you are getting paid arent you ? but not paid to lose your cooll with your boss, thats the problem with so many people nowadays, they think the world owes them a living, you should learn some respect for your your boss who provides the food and housing the salary you are paid gives you.
Oh yes almost forgot:
The boss where I have issues is not the one who signs my checks.
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I'm hoping you were a lot more diplomatic with your boss than your original post suggests. There are ways of getting what you want. Telling your boss that you're 'insulted' by the work being handed to you is not one of them.
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