Ashamed to admit it, but last night was first time managed to muster an outing on a Friday night since I got here to Zug. But the smoke was horrendous and made me feel like I'd been submitted to some form of torture.

Does anyone know where there is somewhere to go out and have a drink which is less smoky (so no sarcastic comments like the top of the Zugerberg or the Bahnhof -which I noticed was full of kids drinking- please!)

Try here: http://www.eat-smokefree.ch/searchre...asp?listall=ZG

It lists quite a few places in Kanton Zug.

also what is incredibly annoying is sitting down to eat then some woman sits adjacent to you with an overpowering perfume of the vilest floral note that seems to penetrate your very being.....
still shit happens

Beats bo or a cheap perfume/bo mix that a lot seem to have.

I want to tell women who do that just how vulgar they are appearing in their attempt to smell expensive and groomed.

This is horrible. People, please, two squirts is enough! It's anti-social to come in stinking like a hookers pyjamas. More perfume does not make you more attractive...

I was having dinner one evening - outdoors - and this tart arrived at the next place honking like a stuck goose. My companion looked at me, looked at the Hussy and said to her: "Good evening. I find your perfume horrendously strong. We are going to ask to change tables as the smell is putting me off my food. I'm sorry I have to tell you."

It was a moment I'll cherish forever. The look on the woman's face confirmed the ugliness she contained within. We ruined her meal. Perfect.*

I was in a bar I really like in Zurich at lunchtime today and noticed for the first time they had 'no smoking' signs on every table. I congratulated the waitress for this sea-change, telling her how awful it used to be when everyone smoked and there was no ventilation. She immediately took the sign off my table, replaced it with an ashtray and said "...it's only until 14.00, while people are eating..."

*Although I'm no Hater, if no-one tells them they'll carry on regardless.

Is that where I am going wrong?

I've noticed the same thing in Zug. Don't they realize that second hand smoke kills? The US is far ahead in this regard. It is disgusting to sit down in a restaurant and then the person at the adjacent table lights up a cigarette. Nasty as hell.
PS the kids getting drunk in the Zug Bahnhof is pretty depressing too.

Not if you're one of the Kids

LOL! I think I did more fun things when I was a kid than hang around in a railway station. Feel sorry for kids these days.

They have passed the law in canton Ticino so I feel the trend will come here before long. I feel your pain. Sometimes I just choose not to go out anymore because of smelling and breathing all that second hand smoke. I was just in England a couple weeks ago and it was so refreshing with no smoke in the pubs.

Amen! And it only takes 10 minutes to take a shower.

As for the smell of concentrated cigarette smoke...

A good cigar, on the other hand, I don't mind.

This is great... that website was really useful. Thanks.
I was wondering if anyone would be interested if I organised a meet next Friday (2nd November) evening in a non-smoking (or at least with a non-smoking section) venue? Alcohol and food but without the smoke? How does that sound? In Zug or Baar. I mentioned this conversation to some colleagues and they said the Krone (or something like that) - the Pizzeria near UBS in Baar, also has a non-smoking section. Any other suggestions?