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Old 25.11.2014, 18:01
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Re: We are opening a restaurant in Zurich! Any suggestions on our menu and entertainm

Just serve bland, unimaginative food at high prices. When you first open, some retired Swiss will come in, sit in silence for 4 hours, and slowly eat an overcooked rosti while drinking schnapps.

After a few weeks you'll have no customers, but you need to employ one glum looking waitress to sit on a table in the corner and look like she's desperate for a smoke. You won't make any money but by the magic of Swiss Restaurant Economics you'll somehow stay in business for years.
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Old 25.11.2014, 18:02
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It also helps when the waitresses are topless - yep that definitely makes a restaurant better.

But also child friendly, Vegan, serves Kebabs after 11pm, does a classy brunch, which has to be cheap - especially the cocktails.

If the restaurant can't be exactly what every person wants it will fail. Exactly like all the other restaurants have failed.
you don't think things like decor, atmosphere, ambience and music are important in a restaurant?
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Old 25.11.2014, 18:08
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you don't think things like decor, atmosphere, ambience and music are important in a restaurant?
Absolutely which is why the modern designed restaurant will feature gently piped music.

Except on those evenings when the decor will be more industrial and Killing Joke will be played at full volume on repeat - until the police are called.

There will be live music, piped music, music in the toilets, comedy, karaoke and a disco - all play simultaneous because I want to keep absolutely every customer happy.

I will feature a vast array of very rare whiskeys - but will only charge 3chf a glass because some expat on some forum bought a glass of that for that amount in 1978 in London.
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Old 25.11.2014, 22:37
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Staff matters. And if you really want to target English speakers, consider some native English speaking staff.

If you want English speakers, forget it, unless you want every minor bad experience blown beyond proportion and commented in 42 page long threads by people who weren't actually there.
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Old 25.11.2014, 23:37
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I was half joking.

I have a preference for fellow diners that don't piss themselves, shit themselves, vomit on themselves, cry, scream, shout, antagonise their fellow table guests into shouting "stop that right now or you'll be sorry!" every 5 minutes, park their vehicles/beds next to the table or run around the restaurant for fun.
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Old 26.11.2014, 00:38
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you don't think things like decor, atmosphere, ambience and music are important in a restaurant?
No.

And I prefer restaurants with 2 or more Michelin stars.

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Old 26.11.2014, 00:43
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Never experienced this and I think I've been to quite a few good restaurants so far. Is it frequently done over the pond maybe?
Not frequently, I have experienced that only in a handful of places around the world. And they get my repeat business - because their food is amazing, and their attitude even better.

Actually, one of those pearls is in Zurich: Dapur Indonesia. I used to go there from time to time while living in CH, sometimes we even organized forum events. They were always fully booked, but the chef had enough consideration for her guests to take a couple of minutes out of her busy schedule and come out and exchange a few words with the diners. I would have gone back just for this loveliness, it so happens that the food is (was - I have not been back there since mid 2012 so I don't know anymore) outstanding.
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Old 26.11.2014, 08:28
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Also, you might want to pay attention to the decor once you know who your target group is. It sounds strange, but the interior design can be extremely harmful or helpful to a business. I've been put off by terrible ambient even though the food was good, and I gave a so-la-la restaurant a second chance because the lamps were just freaking awesome. As we say back home, "your eyes also eat"...
No, it's not strange at all, the way a restaurant looks does matter. But as far as I'm concerned, if the interior design doesn't match the quality of food I'd skip it next time.

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for me, I really like a bar or restaurant that takes the music seriously, not just playing the radio, or muzak or some dumbed down 90s House. In fact I actively seek them out. I understand that live music at a restaurant can be annoying but I think live music makes good bars great.
Live music in some places is nice; in others it doesn't work, except maybe for some very discreet piano music.
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Re: We are opening a restaurant in Zurich! Any suggestions on our menu and entertainm

I didn't say I want a McMeal - quite the opposite. If a "posh" restaurant can only see fit to have a kids menu with fried crap on it, it says something about the imagination of the chef. I much prefer being able to order child-sized portions off the regular menu. In fact, some of the posher restaurants we go to will do such if you ask the waiter nicely - even if it isn't advertised on the menu. One place we went to the waiter congratulated us for avoiding the Schnippo menu.

Going off topic: we've taken our son to restaurants from an early age. Noisy kids are avoided by the parents timing the restaurant visit around the child's routine - i.e. lunchtimes, early evenings. I would not dream of taking a likely-to-be-cranky kid for an evening session (post 7pm). It's no fun for anyone - least of all the parents.

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Depends on what the OP is aiming for. If their menu is at all pricey, then people who spend good money on a meal won't like a McDonald's/Flunch type of atmosphere. As in it's hard to relax with lots of noisy children.
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Old 26.11.2014, 09:10
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Re: We are opening a restaurant in Zurich! Any suggestions on our menu and entertainm

My understanding of the posts in this thread is a restaurant with:
- English food
- live music
- free tap water
- 2 Michelin star quality
- McDonalds-level price
- no children

Sounds great
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Old 26.11.2014, 10:05
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I didn't say I want a McMeal - quite the opposite. If a "posh" restaurant can only see fit to have a kids menu with fried crap on it, it says something about the imagination of the chef. I much prefer being able to order child-sized portions off the regular menu. In fact, some of the posher restaurants we go to will do such if you ask the waiter nicely - even if it isn't advertised on the menu. One place we went to the waiter congratulated us for avoiding the Schnippo menu.
On the other side of the coin, menu items are sometimes difficult to divide if a child size portion is requested. If another child doesn't order the same then the item is wasted which costs the restaurant money.
Examples include lamb shanks, whole grilled fish, meat items etc.

Our ten year old eats an adult portion anyway so that's not a problem and for our younger two, we order one adult portion and two plates.

Of course this costs the restaurant money too as they could make twice as much money (or more) by seating two adults rather than two children but then it's their choice to allow children in.

I don't mind there being a childrens' menu but think it's absolutely appalling to serve children fried nuggets and chips and to make matters worse, not to provide vegetables.

But, it must be popular as it seems to be the thing to do here.

We try and only eat out with the children at lunchtime as they get tired in the evening and despite being a parent, I can't stand going out to eat in the evening with loads of young, over-tried, noisy kids running around.
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Old 26.11.2014, 10:48
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No.

And I prefer restaurants with 2 or more Michelin stars.

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If you're willing to pay so much for a 2+ star Michelin meal, you don't expect an all round excellent experience including ambience etc?
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No.

And I prefer restaurants with 2 or more Michelin stars.

Tom

Hard pressed to find very many of those in Switzerland, perhaps two at a push, although with Swiss average prices you would think all Swiss restaurants held a coveted Michelin star.
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That's how I ended up with a spare tyre.

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And I prefer restaurants with 2 or more Michelin stars.

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Old 26.11.2014, 11:47
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That's how I ended up with a spare tyre.
Personally I'm more impartial to the Pirrelli type of curves than to the Michelin-generated ones.

Which reminds me that the end of year is approaching and I need a new calendar.
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Re: We are opening a restaurant in Zurich! Any suggestions on our menu and entertainm

Have you considered putting cat & dog meat on the menu. This would attract the swiss and keep the brits out.
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Here is a Michelin star for you....

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Yeah, but there will be some things they can make in smaller portions. Pasta dishes, casserole type dishes. I'm expecting them to do half a fried egg or something.

For example the Rathaus in Rapperswil will happily make a small sized rösti with a fried egg on.

NickJnr's getting bigger so such things becoming less important.

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On the other side of the coin, menu items are sometimes difficult to divide if a child size portion is requested. If another child doesn't order the same then the item is wasted which costs the restaurant money.
Examples include lamb shanks, whole grilled fish, meat items etc.

Our ten year old eats an adult portion anyway so that's not a problem and for our younger two, we order one adult portion and two plates.

Of course this costs the restaurant money too as they could make twice as much money (or more) by seating two adults rather than two children but then it's their choice to allow children in.

I don't mind there being a childrens' menu but think it's absolutely appalling to serve children fried nuggets and chips and to make matters worse, not to provide vegetables.

But, it must be popular as it seems to be the thing to do here.

We try and only eat out with the children at lunchtime as they get tired in the evening and despite being a parent, I can't stand going out to eat in the evening with loads of young, over-tried, noisy kids running around.
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Old 26.11.2014, 20:05
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Yeah, but there will be some things they can make in smaller portions. Pasta dishes, casserole type dishes. I'm expecting them to do half a fried egg or something.
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That's why I wrote "sometimes" menu items are difficult to divide.
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Re: We are opening a restaurant in Zurich! Any suggestions on our menu and entertainm

I have never understood the vague complaints people make about Swiss restaurants being bad... until now.

My experience with Swiss restaurants is that they can be a bit snooty and are definitely expensive. But they have competant service, fantastic ambience, good quality ingredients and generally pretty good food. You can walk into any place that looks good and it generally will be good.

So why all the complaints, I wondered? Are my standards so low??? Is my taste so poor???

And then I see this thread. Apparently everyone elses idea of a good restaurant is topless waiter/esses, karaoke, steaks, pies, rice milk, vegan options, gluten free options, alergy options, smoking zone, childrens menu, 8 different types of eggs, all-you-can-eat buffets, childrens playgrounds, cheap cocktails (but only until 1.30pm), bangers and mash and - above all - free tap water!

Now it is all clear...
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