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I think that, particularly in such important and sensitive topics, you should read the thread before commenting, so that you are properly informed, thank you.

I personally found your various PMs (as well as the additional down-reps) highly insensitive and inappropriate last night (early this morning).
Not half as insensitive and inappropriate as what you did.

If I were to report that PM you sent me, you'd almost certainly receive a ban, so I'd stop whining if I were you.
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Old 25.10.2015, 20:16
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Re: Anxiety meds?

You know what? I'm done with this thread for now. The original topic was about meds for anxiety. End of. If someone asks a question that I can answer, i'm happy to do so. Otherwise, look at the cartoon I posted. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to load the dishwasher.
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Old 25.10.2015, 21:27
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You know what? I'm done with this thread for now. The original topic was about meds for anxiety. End of. If someone asks a question that I can answer, i'm happy to do so. Otherwise, look at the cartoon I posted. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to load the dishwasher.
I feel very sorry for Tasebo who posed a genuine question asking for people's experiences with certain meds and whose question got lost amongst all the bickering about what constitutes 'real' depression. ( aside from a couple of helpful responses before the thread got derailed).
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I feel very sorry for Tasebo who posed a genuine question asking for people's experiences with certain meds and whose question got lost amongst all the bickering about what constitutes 'real' depression. ( aside from a couple of helpful responses before the thread got derailed).
Perhaps a thread split in the right place might get this thread back on topic before it gets closed.
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I feel very sorry for Tasebo who posed a genuine question asking for people's experiences with certain meds and whose question got lost amongst all the bickering about what constitutes 'real' depression. ( aside from a couple of helpful responses before the thread got derailed).
The époint is not about bickering or derailing, sorry- but about an internet Forum really not being the best place to discuss such a difficult and complex question- the consequences of bad diagnosis and treatment (even if the best treatment is not to treat medically/drugs) are just oo serious to contemplate.
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Old 26.10.2015, 01:12
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Re: Anxiety meds?

I certainly was not looking to EF to make a decision, but see no significant difference in gathering reactions from people's experience from a general google search, versus within an online community where over time a person has a sense of what type person the reply comes from, or may have actually exchanged conversation with on another subject.

In the end, my partner and I, together with the doctors (and our daughter) made a decision. The expression of support, concern and understanding from various EF members was only an added a benefit, beyond which I had expected.
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... but the longterm approach is seen as CBT, EMDR and general psychotherapy. The possibility of Buspirone was brought up as an alternative as it is taken regularly and removes the "angst" of her wondering whether she needs something. To some of us this may seem rather trivial, but this is a 16yr old who in some ways overthinks every detail, for better and worse.
This is just me sharing my experience over the past 18 months...what ever the diagnosis is from the Pdoc...the complexity of possibilities is seemingly endless. My issues started as dizziness spells that later turned into chronic dizziness that later turned into horrible anxiety that then caused a rather nasty clinical depression to set in.

From my experience I can share many things. The most important is that the brain lies a lot. Holy shit. Half of my clinical symptoms were really just my brain playing tricks. After 9 months of crawling back to recovery I can say with certainty that my Pdoc and normal doc were wrong about the diagnosis and treatment. The suggestion to take synthetics was suggested from day one because everything was pointing to depression. This was a component but it was not what was causing the anxiety. It was the prolonged over production and release of cortisol...stress hormone. Too much of that for too long caused the depression. My depression just happened to resist treatment until I insisted that what I was feeling in the body was real. This was finally heard and changes were made. 7 weeks later and there has been a world of progress made. My point...getting to the source of issues is key. For me it was undiagnosed OCD after 20 years of not knowing it...this ocd lead to cycles of constant over thinking and worry.

EMDR has helped quite a bit. And for the record, I do have an English speaking therapist/Pdoc. Had no wait to get to him either. Maybe I was lucky?
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Re: Anxiety meds?

Patients and parents of patients are not seeking to replace physicians, but they are questioning, looking for more information. And they are becoming participants in their own health care. Patients do better when they participate and become engaged in their own health care. And again, this is not replacing the physician.

By not discussing this, we keep mental illnesses hidden in the dark. And rather than seeking help, those affected might not get the help they need. If anything, such discussions should promote a conversation with one's health care provider. Maybe the appropriate treatment is to wait and see, maybe not. But no one should feel censored and no one should have to suffer in silence.

Now, the point of this thread was to discuss experiences with anxiety and treatment of anxiety. The topic of the diversion was something else entirely.
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Old 26.10.2015, 10:29
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The époint is not about bickering or derailing, sorry- but about an internet Forum really not being the best place to discuss such a difficult and complex question- the consequences of bad diagnosis and treatment (even if the best treatment is not to treat medically/drugs) are just oo serious to contemplate.


But that wasn't the case here.
Tasebo posted asking if people had personal experience with certain drugs as we all know that different people react differently. She was just trying to get as much information as possible in order help when making a decision regarding the meds suggested by the doctor. Reading the literature and the recommendations from doctors ( who have never taken the meds themselves) is not the same as first hand experience from people who have actually taken them ( side effects, benefits, etc etc).
She said on more than one occasion that her daughter was being treated by somebody competent whom they were very happy with using various different therapies. All she wanted was personal experience of the meds in question so the thread derailment was really not helpful here.

I think you were focussing too much on a single track and not really seeing the bigger picture here. ( probably due in part to the post being added to an existing more general thread).

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Can you just self-refer yourself to a psychiatrist here? I need help with my anxiety, but I'm too anxious to speak to my GP about it (I'm sure she already thinks i'm a lunatic).... don't laugh, my husband laughed for 5 minutes when I said that
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Can you just self-refer yourself to a psychiatrist here? I need help with my anxiety, but I'm too anxious to speak to my GP about it (I'm sure she already thinks i'm a lunatic).... don't laugh, my husband laughed for 5 minutes when I said that
You can self refer. GPs generally have receptionists, but most therapists work on their own, so you might play a bit of telephone tag, but you'll be talking directly to the doc, rather than an intermediary.
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You can self refer. GPs generally have receptionists, but most therapists work on their own, so you might play a bit of telephone tag, but you'll be talking directly to the doc, rather than an intermediary.
I don't think you can see a psychologist or therapist on basic health insurance, I think (not sure) that it has to be a medical Dr i.e. A psychiatrist ... think my nearest are at the local hospital.
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I don't think you can see a psychologist or therapist on basic health insurance, I think (not sure) that it has to be a medical Dr i.e. A psychiatrist ... think my nearest are at the local hospital.
I was presuming that you meant therapist by psychiatrist. You could talk to your GP. Or check yourself into a Krisenzentrum.

In all seriousness, try calling the PUK in Zurich. I'm sure they can answer your questions.
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Can you just self-refer yourself to a psychiatrist here? I need help with my anxiety, but I'm too anxious to speak to my GP about it (I'm sure she already thinks i'm a lunatic).... don't laugh, my husband laughed for 5 minutes when I said that
I have experience of this..
Basic health insurance does cover you if you are under the care of a psychiatrist - probabably not if it a psycologist or therapist. However read on.
This doesn't mean you need to see the psychiatrist..

In my case - I went to the GP about general stuff - she reckoned I was a bit stressed/anxious or whatever and told me to go find a psyc and see if it made me feel better.
I found a psycologist, had a few sessions and here's the important bit I guess, for insurance - she got my sessions sanctioned or signed off by the in charge psychiatrist <-- I don't know exactly who that was but it meant that my basic insurance covered everything - not my complimentary. So check with the person that they can do that.

I guess the important thing is to find somebody you are comfortable with, it's not super expensive anyway, just over 100 per session so if it helps I guess it's worth it.

For me it was kinda pointless but it was a nice break for an hour each week, didn't do any harm.
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John the neurofeedback guy here.

Neurofeedback can help with anxiety.
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Can you just self-refer yourself to a psychiatrist here? I need help with my anxiety, but I'm too anxious to speak to my GP about it (I'm sure she already thinks i'm a lunatic).... don't laugh, my husband laughed for 5 minutes when I said that
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I'm sorry you're feeling anxious, it's a horrible feeling.

Your GP will not think you're a lunatic, and if she does she's hopefully professional enough not to let it show. If you think you need help, then that should be enough.

Please don't siton these feelings: go see your doctor. I'm not saying meds are the be-all or end-all, and I'm certainly not trying to start a debate, but I know that they do provide a little extra assistance that we sometimes need.

I hope you feel better soon.

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Re: Anxiety meds?

Depending on how much you have to function in your daily life, you can also buy baldrian (English = Valerian) over the counter at an apotheke, or at coop - drops and tablets.

The drops really stink. I suspect thats so you can't sneak them into someones drink without their knowledge.

My work colleague calls these LMAA tablets (leck mich am arsch) and usually only takes these when she's flying.

Maybe take the drops until you get the courage up to see a GP
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Re: Anxiety meds?

Just wanted to chime in and confirm that it's possible to get psych therapy paid for by health insurance - but if you normally need a referral from the GP then you'll need to do that.

I see a psychiatrist/therapist so no problem with being 'signed off' by a doctor, but my kids get therapy for school-related issues which is 'prescribed' by a psychiatrist who supervises a team of psychological therapists and they get reviewed periodically by the 'supervising' psychiatrist to keep the health insurance happy.

Costs around 200chf an hour Health insurance pays 90%. Normal would be to see the psychiatrist/psychologist once a week or once a fortnight...

I changed my insurance to the lowest franchise so there wasn't such a 'gap'...
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Thanks guys!

I think I've always had anxiety, looking back i can see examples as far back as aged 5 or 6.... but it has got worse in the last few years. I'm annoyed that I can't just tell myself to "stop being anxious and relax" ... dumb brain
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Thanks guys!

I think I've always had anxiety, looking back i can see examples as far back as aged 5 or 6.... but it has got worse in the last few years. I'm annoyed that I can't just tell myself to "stop being anxious and relax" ... dumb brain
Imperatives won't work. Self recognition is a start. You can learn to distract yourself from the anxiety with things like Aufmerksamkeitstraining. There are a great many approaches... anything which seems even remotely close to starting from "Now stop that nonsense!" isn't likely to work, precisely because you've been saying that to yourself for a while, and it hasn't "gone away".
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