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You really need to read up more on meds.

With meds when the meds wear off you are back to where you were when on them.

Anti-anxiety meds can also be dangerous.

Sometimes meds can be instantaneous but on a long term basis not helpful.

People are now looking for ways of living that do not incliûde meds.
OK. I often have a lot of time for the stuff you post but I don't like this. It's not a given that it's "back to where you started from" when you stop taking the meds (in a supervised way).

All meds are arguably dangerous I suppose but I firmly believe that there is nothing wrong with some chemical assistance. It's better than merely getting by.

Would people prefer not to be medicated? Most likely. Do we like to feel a whole lot less crappy/anxious/depressed? Abso-bloody-lutely.
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Old 30.11.2016, 22:00
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OK. I often have a lot of time for the stuff you post but I don't like this. It's not a given that it's "back to where you started from" when you stop taking the meds (in a supervised way).

All meds are arguably dangerous I suppose but I firmly believe that there is nothing wrong with some chemical assistance. It's better than merely getting by.

Would people prefer not to be medicated? Most likely. Do we like to feel a whole lot less crappy/anxious/depressed? Abso-bloody-lutely.
I no longer give a rat's butt. Whatever works best. Combination of meds, diet, exercise, meditation, chcocolate, telling people to f*** off.......

Let me say this a different way - people go on and on about the side effects of meds. It's disingenuous in a way, because the side effects of non treatment are not accounted for and can be far worse. Deadly even, or might as well be dead.
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Re: Anxiety meds?

Something unexpected I am discovering, having moved back to the Uk, is the huge differences between countries on how medications are seen.

In Switzerland, I was prescribed Temesta for anxiety (a benzodiazepine). At one point I was taking 2 a day, plus 2 in reserve. By the time I left I was down to 1 a day, 2 in reserve.

I moved to the UK and one of my first points of contact with a mental health team was the crisis team (the referal system taking time to get going). They looked at my medication and said "You won't be allowed to stay on that."

Well, that wasn't helpful, but at least I was prepared. When I eventually saw a psychiatrist, he did indeed make remarks about this medication. I asked him if it would be acceptable for me to come off the daily dose, but keep the reserve medication, as I know it works rapidly when I feel anxious. He agreed, and we worked out a 6 week withdrawal plan.

I had a few bad nights (I'd been taking it in the evening), but came off it ok...

Until about a fortnight after I'd come off completely, when I started really struggling with anxiety. Problem was, now I was concerned about taking too much of my reserve medication, because of the attitude I'd got from the mental health professionals here about it.

I'm now trying taking some of my other medication as a split dose - half in the morning, half in the evening - to help me cope. Makes me feel really woozy all day long...

I'm not trying to make a point about the value or otherwise of Temesta. What astonishes me is that two countries can have such differing views about a medication. How are you supposed to keep on an even keel when a geographical move necesitates a medication change purely because the view of the medical profession in your new home differs from that in your previous home? Why are there not standard guidelines on how a medication can be prescribed, which are then followed in all countries?

It's not just my anxiety meds either. I was on a 50mg dose of the pill in Switzerland. Here in the UK this is not available, so I've had to go down to 30mg... which is having an effect on my cycle.

I can't understand it.

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Old 30.11.2016, 23:14
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That's interesting, maybe it depends on you Dr in Switzerland, but I was told that they didn't like prescribing anti-anxiety drugs (benzos) due to the fact you can become dependent on them, hence I was given SSRIs. Also a friend was given anti-anxiety drugs here by his GP, then taken off them sharpish when he saw a psychiatrist. So sounds like a difference from Dr to Dr not just a country difference.

I hope you're not having too tough a time coming off them, are they giving you something else instead?
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Re: Anxiety meds?

Oh, yes, Vlh22, I understand what you're saying.

A German woman I know was treated, in Germany, for low blood pressure. When she moved to the UK, she was told that her blood pressure (even the values which she had had before being given medication by her German doctor) was well within the normal range... as they considered it in the UK. The UK doctor took her off the medication, and would consent to re-prescribe only after she'd had several dangerous spells of feeling very faint and falling down.

On the other hand, I find the number of people I've met in Switzerland who live their lives seemingly normally, but are in fact seriously addicted to benzos, quite alarming.

Perhaps their doctors prefer to prescribe a medication than to try to find out what is causing the anxiety. I think some therapists themselves would rather not dare to face up to listening to their patients' REAL issues. Perhaps a certain willful blindness.

To some extend it makes sense that, at least for things that cannot be measured with a blood-test, various countries and even sub-cultures have differing thresholds for regarding symptoms as relevant, unpleasant or worthy of treatment. To use a cliché: A busy working mother, interested in local politics, involved in a sports club, who gets angry about a social injustice, is likely to behave differently if she were, let's say, Italian and had always lived in Italian cities, that if she were Finish and had always lived in rural Finland.

Besides that, the doctors themselves are under a variety of pressures depending upon the medical, budget and insurance settings in which they are practicing. Besides monetary, other aspirations can drive a doctor to feel that he or she is helping, or not. Such organisational and personal frameworks necessarily influence how many of their patients they allow themselves to regard as ill and to whose conditions they allocate how big a slice of the resources.

For your own position, I'd suggest you ask your doctor directly about when he or she thinks you should use the reserve medication. Or decide it for yourself, and keep a diary of what you took, when, and how much it helped, and take this log along to your next appointment as the basis for discussion.

I wish you a good night's sleep!

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There are, without a doubt, some bad eggs. Not just therapists though, sometimes the bad egg is on the couch.

There are times when medication is the proper response, there are times when it isn't. This isn't a decision which is to be taken unilaterally - neither by the patient, nor by the doctor.

I've known a couple of people who only take part of the medication dosage prescribed, or don't take it with any regularity, or don't comply with things like "No Alcohol" conditions, but weren't aboveboard with the doctor about this. What the hell is the point of going to the doctor for a treatment if you misrepresent the situation? If you don't want to take Benzos or SSRIs then don't, but at least say so!
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Something unexpected I am discovering, having moved back to the Uk, is the huge differences between countries on how medications are seen.

I'm not trying to make a point about the value or otherwise of Temesta. What astonishes me is that two countries can have such differing views about a medication. How are you supposed to keep on an even keel when a geographical move necesitates a medication change purely because the view of the medical profession in your new home differs from that in your previous home? Why are there not standard guidelines on how a medication can be prescribed, which are then followed in all countries?



I can't understand it.

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I know what you mean. It's frustrating and unsettling. I've had similar experiences with regards to my doctor visits (unrelated to anxiety). I went with a copy of my uk prescription plus emptying packet and was initially offered a herbal alternative. I had to go back a week later, my pain having got worse and having not slept, whereupon I was grudgingly given a script for the same meds as in the UK.

I also had a rather worrying experience after taking Little Rufus to the doc last year. She hadn't eaten much at all for a few days but had been drinking dilute juice, water and milk.. Her temperature was around the 39c mark. The doc we saw (not her usual one as was out of hours) said not to worry , toddlers could have a temp of 41 c for three days and as long as there was an obvious infection (in this case the flu virus and an inflamed throat ) they were not concerned. A temp of 41 in a toddler in the UK would have put her in A&E. Scared me to death.

I hope you are getting the levels of meds you need, VLH22.

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My father was an alcoholic, which hurt me and made me want to help him overcome his addiction. Needless to say, I couldn't. I did a lot of research on alcoholism but thirty years ago, no one really talked about mental issues and the possibility of getting these people off alcohol and onto anti-depressants.

I'm now dealing with similar mental issues, which are probably hereditary, but fortunately have different resources to combat the symptoms and understand the causes.

I used to be very much against medication until I realised that all my other strategies weren't working. There are people who find the reliance on anti-depressants to be a human weakness and an "easy way out." I find it's a healthy way of living a quality life if nothing else works.
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Ugh. After a couple of weeks of feeling quite good on Sertraline, I have now had constant indigestion for three days. Pain in chest plus feeling of having trapped air in Oesophagus that won't disappear. The only thing that seems to ease it is drinking Coke.

I was starting to feel less anxious, now the indigestion pain itself is making me anxious. Wide awake at 3am because of it. Hoping it is a side affect that just passes, how long should I give it before talking to the doctor? Gutted because I really thought it was suiting me and helping
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Ugh. After a couple of weeks of feeling quite good on Sertraline, I have now had constant indigestion for three days. Pain in chest plus feeling of having trapped air in Oesophagus that won't disappear. The only thing that seems to ease it is drinking Coke.

I was starting to feel less anxious, now the indigestion pain itself is making me anxious. Wide awake at 3am because of it. Hoping it is a side affect that just passes, how long should I give it before talking to the doctor? Gutted because I really thought it was suiting me and helping
Hey. Indigestion sucks. I'm sorry. Go to your doctor tomorrow. Maybe new meds? Or You can get antacid meds. Omeprazole is good. Ranatidine helps my Indigestion.

In the meantime...do you have peppermint oil? Two drops in half a mug of hot water. Peppermint tea is an ok substitute. Or mint sweets. The coke will help because it's gassy and burping helps! Lots of pillows and sleep more upright. Lots of water to dilute the acid.

I've had a lot of Indigestion! Hope you feel better soon.
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Ugh. After a couple of weeks of feeling quite good on Sertraline, I have now had constant indigestion for three days. Pain in chest plus feeling of having trapped air in Oesophagus that won't disappear. The only thing that seems to ease it is drinking Coke.

I was starting to feel less anxious, now the indigestion pain itself is making me anxious. Wide awake at 3am because of it. Hoping it is a side affect that just passes, how long should I give it before talking to the doctor? Gutted because I really thought it was suiting me and helping
I'm so sorry! It is an awful feeling. If you've felt like this for three days, I'd call the doc.

Have you upped your dose lately or are you taking meds from a different manufacturer? Is it possible that it's something entirely unrelated?

In the meantime, drinking hot water, weak tea might help as well, as Rufus suggests. Please call your doctor though! Take care!
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Re: Anxiety meds?

Thanks guys. Finally got a few hours sleep. I have upped my dose in the last few days, but the symptoms actually started about 12 hours before upping my dose, so I don't think that was the cause, although probably hasn't helped.

What a pain

*I actually don't feel too bad this morning, everything is worse at night hey!

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Thanks guys. Finally got a few hours sleep. I have upped my dose in the last few days, but the symptoms actually started about 12 hours before upping my dose, so I don't think that was the cause, although probably hasn't helped.

What a pain

*I actually don't feel too bad this morning, everything is worse at night hey!
When I was increasing my dose, I had a few instances at the very beginning where i had to scale back - either go back to the old dose or half the increase. In my case, it was feeling sleepy and having a queasy stomach. Nothing wrong with dialing it back if you need to.

Indigestion is often worse at night. Can you elevate yourself with pillows? Also, maybe not in your case, but this is the time of year when people eat crap. Still, call your doctor, because persistent symptoms like this need to be checked out.

Oh, and I forgot to add ginger ale, ginger tea as good home remedies.
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This is the problem with anxiety medications. Strong side effects and possible dependence.

Often Drs. will prescribe a med and if it does not work they will prescribe another until they think that it is the right one. Most often there are side effects. Then they prescribe meds to deal with the side effects and on and on.

The few days at the beginning of feeling good is the feeling that there has been a fix . Meds don't fix the problem just cover it up.

You need to get to the cause of the anxiety.
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This is the problem with anxiety medications. Strong side effects and possible dependence.

Often Drs. will prescribe a med and if it does not work they will prescribe another until they think that it is the right one. Most often there are side effects. Then they prescribe meds to deal with the side effects and on and on.

The few days at the beginning of feeling good is the feeling that there has been a fix . Meds don't fix the problem just cover it up.

You need to get to the cause of the anxiety.
Actually, sometimes meds help the individual get to a point where he or she can be receptive to therapy. And anxiety may have triggers, but some people are just anxious by disposition.....trying to find a specific cause is a meaningless exercise. However, you can learn strategies for reframing trigger events, or reducing the cummulative impact of triggers or stressors.

So I wouldn't discount the impact so readily.

But we're just going to disagree on this, aren't we?
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Actually, sometimes meds help the individual get to a point where he or she can be receptive to therapy. And anxiety may have triggers, but some people are just anxious by disposition.....trying to find a specific cause is a meaningless exercise. However, you can learn strategies for reframing trigger events, or reducing the cummulative impact of triggers or stressors.

So I wouldn't discount the impact so readily.

But we're just going to disagree on this, aren't we?
Yes, of course we are going to disagree.

I disagree that people are anxious by disposition. There are many reasons, such as PTSD, childhood physical and mental abuse, our society, what learn from environment, etc.

Today there is tremendous strides made in finding out what the cause can be such as a hit to the head. This we can see with a brain map. We are now looking at functional neuroanatomy.

We now look at how the brain functions and how we can change it. We are getting away from the guilt and shame of saying I am in my comfort zone or that is my disposition.

Much of the meds are focusing on the symptoms rather than the cause.
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Yes, of course we are going to disagree.

I disagree that people are anxious by disposition. There are many reasons, such as PTSD, childhood physical and mental abuse, our society, what learn from environment, etc.

Today there is tremendous strides made in finding out what the cause can be such as a hit to the head. This we can see with a brain map. We are now looking at functional neuroanatomy.

We now look at how the brain functions and how we can change it. We are getting away from the guilt and shame of saying I am in my comfort zone or that is my disposition.

Much of the meds are focusing on the symptoms rather than the cause.
There is no guilt or shame in saying that I'm an anxious person. It's who I am and it has some benefits. For me, the guilt and shame is rationalizing meaningless causes, and trying to stamp out individual characteristics.

In fact:
http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/09...elligence.html

In the 1940's, psychologist David Liddell said that anxiety accompanies intelligence as its shadow.

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There is no guilt or shame in saying that I'm an anxious person. It's who I am and it has some benefits. For me, the guilt and shame is rationalizing meaningless causes, and trying to stamp out individual characteristics.

In fact:
http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/09...elligence.html

In the 1940's, psychologist David Liddell said that anxiety accompanies intelligence as its shadow.
Guilt and shame is brought when I say this is my disposition and I can not change.

Finding out the cause and then doing something about it is what it is really all about.

So are you telling me the cause of PSTD which may be a rape is meaningless?
Are you telling me that the experience of the rape is a characteristic?

This is 2016. There is much research on the brain and many new developments It is all about the brain and how it functions and how we can chnage how it functions.
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I totally agree that intelligence's other side of coin might be with some individuals - over doing the thinking about possible consequences. Of anything available. It seems that a potent brain often searches for stimuli, and if you don't give it, it will step up the reactivity.It takes a high intellect to actually realize the consequences of anything available (think people looking for motives and others being oblivious to them...I think it is actually an efficient selfregulatory mechanism, which at the end exhausts the subject, since extreme anxiety weakens and distraction fatigues, it is impractical and unpleasant). I also think that circular, ruminating and distracting tendency of some smart folks might be a chemical disposition, or a pattern triggered by an event. Taught or innate, it can be irrelevant when one is stuck. Some neurological reasearch does point to "retraining", it is not really behaviorism nor pure cognitive therapy, but quite mechanical neuronal stimuli gymnastics. Others swear by mediation (Coma group in Liege brings fab info), others get hypnotized...others retake spinning classes, others shock their affective reaction to their own brain in overdrive by a deep analytical therapy, others try to work out how unconscioussness affect their consciousness. But the freshest info I am getting through neurosci at this moment - to decode one's knee-jerk reaction or a set of them and possibly ingrained, being smart or not, with or without trauma, it will envolve cerebral electrodes one way or another.
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Guilt and shame is brought when I say this is my disposition and I can not change.

Finding out the cause and then doing something about it is what it is really all about.

So are you telling me the cause of PSTD which may be a rape is meaningless?
Are you telling me that the experience of the rape is a characteristic?

This is 2016. There is much research on the brain and many new developments It is all about the brain and how it functions and how we can chnage how it functions.
You know I'm not saying that as it refers to trauma. War, rape, even chronic disease influence the development of PTSD. But, there are people who've not experienced trauma and still have anxiety.

I'd be curious to read scientific studies on how brain functions can be changed. What do you suggest? Do you recommend a particular journal or researcher?
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