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Old 30.11.2016, 21:35
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Re: Anxiety meds?

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You really need to read up more on meds.

With meds when the meds wear off you are back to where you were when on them.

Anti-anxiety meds can also be dangerous.

Sometimes meds can be instantaneous but on a long term basis not helpful.

People are now looking for ways of living that do not incliûde meds.
OK. I often have a lot of time for the stuff you post but I don't like this. It's not a given that it's "back to where you started from" when you stop taking the meds (in a supervised way).

All meds are arguably dangerous I suppose but I firmly believe that there is nothing wrong with some chemical assistance. It's better than merely getting by.

Would people prefer not to be medicated? Most likely. Do we like to feel a whole lot less crappy/anxious/depressed? Abso-bloody-lutely.
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Old 30.11.2016, 22:00
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OK. I often have a lot of time for the stuff you post but I don't like this. It's not a given that it's "back to where you started from" when you stop taking the meds (in a supervised way).

All meds are arguably dangerous I suppose but I firmly believe that there is nothing wrong with some chemical assistance. It's better than merely getting by.

Would people prefer not to be medicated? Most likely. Do we like to feel a whole lot less crappy/anxious/depressed? Abso-bloody-lutely.
I no longer give a rat's butt. Whatever works best. Combination of meds, diet, exercise, meditation, chcocolate, telling people to f*** off.......

Let me say this a different way - people go on and on about the side effects of meds. It's disingenuous in a way, because the side effects of non treatment are not accounted for and can be far worse. Deadly even, or might as well be dead.
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Old 30.11.2016, 22:51
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Re: Anxiety meds?

Something unexpected I am discovering, having moved back to the Uk, is the huge differences between countries on how medications are seen.

In Switzerland, I was prescribed Temesta for anxiety (a benzodiazepine). At one point I was taking 2 a day, plus 2 in reserve. By the time I left I was down to 1 a day, 2 in reserve.

I moved to the UK and one of my first points of contact with a mental health team was the crisis team (the referal system taking time to get going). They looked at my medication and said "You won't be allowed to stay on that."

Well, that wasn't helpful, but at least I was prepared. When I eventually saw a psychiatrist, he did indeed make remarks about this medication. I asked him if it would be acceptable for me to come off the daily dose, but keep the reserve medication, as I know it works rapidly when I feel anxious. He agreed, and we worked out a 6 week withdrawal plan.

I had a few bad nights (I'd been taking it in the evening), but came off it ok...

Until about a fortnight after I'd come off completely, when I started really struggling with anxiety. Problem was, now I was concerned about taking too much of my reserve medication, because of the attitude I'd got from the mental health professionals here about it.

I'm now trying taking some of my other medication as a split dose - half in the morning, half in the evening - to help me cope. Makes me feel really woozy all day long...

I'm not trying to make a point about the value or otherwise of Temesta. What astonishes me is that two countries can have such differing views about a medication. How are you supposed to keep on an even keel when a geographical move necesitates a medication change purely because the view of the medical profession in your new home differs from that in your previous home? Why are there not standard guidelines on how a medication can be prescribed, which are then followed in all countries?

It's not just my anxiety meds either. I was on a 50mg dose of the pill in Switzerland. Here in the UK this is not available, so I've had to go down to 30mg... which is having an effect on my cycle.

I can't understand it.

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Old 30.11.2016, 23:14
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That's interesting, maybe it depends on you Dr in Switzerland, but I was told that they didn't like prescribing anti-anxiety drugs (benzos) due to the fact you can become dependent on them, hence I was given SSRIs. Also a friend was given anti-anxiety drugs here by his GP, then taken off them sharpish when he saw a psychiatrist. So sounds like a difference from Dr to Dr not just a country difference.

I hope you're not having too tough a time coming off them, are they giving you something else instead?
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Re: Anxiety meds?

Oh, yes, Vlh22, I understand what you're saying.

A German woman I know was treated, in Germany, for low blood pressure. When she moved to the UK, she was told that her blood pressure (even the values which she had had before being given medication by her German doctor) was well within the normal range... as they considered it in the UK. The UK doctor took her off the medication, and would consent to re-prescribe only after she'd had several dangerous spells of feeling very faint and falling down.

On the other hand, I find the number of people I've met in Switzerland who live their lives seemingly normally, but are in fact seriously addicted to benzos, quite alarming.

Perhaps their doctors prefer to prescribe a medication than to try to find out what is causing the anxiety. I think some therapists themselves would rather not dare to face up to listening to their patients' REAL issues. Perhaps a certain willful blindness.

To some extend it makes sense that, at least for things that cannot be measured with a blood-test, various countries and even sub-cultures have differing thresholds for regarding symptoms as relevant, unpleasant or worthy of treatment. To use a cliché: A busy working mother, interested in local politics, involved in a sports club, who gets angry about a social injustice, is likely to behave differently if she were, let's say, Italian and had always lived in Italian cities, that if she were Finish and had always lived in rural Finland.

Besides that, the doctors themselves are under a variety of pressures depending upon the medical, budget and insurance settings in which they are practicing. Besides monetary, other aspirations can drive a doctor to feel that he or she is helping, or not. Such organisational and personal frameworks necessarily influence how many of their patients they allow themselves to regard as ill and to whose conditions they allocate how big a slice of the resources.

For your own position, I'd suggest you ask your doctor directly about when he or she thinks you should use the reserve medication. Or decide it for yourself, and keep a diary of what you took, when, and how much it helped, and take this log along to your next appointment as the basis for discussion.

I wish you a good night's sleep!

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Perhaps their doctors prefer to prescribe a medication than to try to find out what is causing the anxiety. I think some therapists themselves would rather not dare to face up to listening to their patients' REAL issues. Perhaps a certain willful blindness.
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There are, without a doubt, some bad eggs. Not just therapists though, sometimes the bad egg is on the couch.

There are times when medication is the proper response, there are times when it isn't. This isn't a decision which is to be taken unilaterally - neither by the patient, nor by the doctor.

I've known a couple of people who only take part of the medication dosage prescribed, or don't take it with any regularity, or don't comply with things like "No Alcohol" conditions, but weren't aboveboard with the doctor about this. What the hell is the point of going to the doctor for a treatment if you misrepresent the situation? If you don't want to take Benzos or SSRIs then don't, but at least say so!
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Old 01.12.2016, 12:53
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Something unexpected I am discovering, having moved back to the Uk, is the huge differences between countries on how medications are seen.

I'm not trying to make a point about the value or otherwise of Temesta. What astonishes me is that two countries can have such differing views about a medication. How are you supposed to keep on an even keel when a geographical move necesitates a medication change purely because the view of the medical profession in your new home differs from that in your previous home? Why are there not standard guidelines on how a medication can be prescribed, which are then followed in all countries?



I can't understand it.

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I know what you mean. It's frustrating and unsettling. I've had similar experiences with regards to my doctor visits (unrelated to anxiety). I went with a copy of my uk prescription plus emptying packet and was initially offered a herbal alternative. I had to go back a week later, my pain having got worse and having not slept, whereupon I was grudgingly given a script for the same meds as in the UK.

I also had a rather worrying experience after taking Little Rufus to the doc last year. She hadn't eaten much at all for a few days but had been drinking dilute juice, water and milk.. Her temperature was around the 39c mark. The doc we saw (not her usual one as was out of hours) said not to worry , toddlers could have a temp of 41 c for three days and as long as there was an obvious infection (in this case the flu virus and an inflamed throat ) they were not concerned. A temp of 41 in a toddler in the UK would have put her in A&E. Scared me to death.

I hope you are getting the levels of meds you need, VLH22.

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Re: Anxiety meds?

My father was an alcoholic, which hurt me and made me want to help him overcome his addiction. Needless to say, I couldn't. I did a lot of research on alcoholism but thirty years ago, no one really talked about mental issues and the possibility of getting these people off alcohol and onto anti-depressants.

I'm now dealing with similar mental issues, which are probably hereditary, but fortunately have different resources to combat the symptoms and understand the causes.

I used to be very much against medication until I realised that all my other strategies weren't working. There are people who find the reliance on anti-depressants to be a human weakness and an "easy way out." I find it's a healthy way of living a quality life if nothing else works.
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