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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

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Of course I have no idea what you went through with your baby/ies. But I would with all due respect suggest it is possible that if you aren't sure why people fight colic so much and also call it a "little bit of crying" you haven't been through the hell on earth that is twins with colic.

My twins would cry every night and I do mean every night from age 1 day until they were almost 5 months. They would start at about 10pm and cry until around 4am - EVERY night. I also had an 18 month old so the old "sleep when you baby sleeps" line didn't work either.

When you get no sleep in the day because you are running after a toddler and dealing with new born twins, and you get no sleep at night because your babies are screaming all night - then you will know it is not just a "little bit" of crying and you will try every remedy known to man to try to fix it.

But sorry OP I personally found no solutions, and I did try them all - including fennel tea which did nothing. They finally just stopped on their own and boy did life improve after that!
Agreed , nothing but time will work.
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And if the instincts are wrong, what's your advice then? Don't follow your instincts
Try something else?

Sometimes my instincts have been wrong so I try another avenue until it works.

If the OP first tries baby-massage and it doesn't work, then tries changing her own diet or giving a bit of fennel tea she is probably following a well-trodden mummy path which countless mummies have been down before.

Bouncy walking round a dining room table with the baby slung over your forearm whilst playing the "nursery songs CD" stops the crying.

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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

i also think that tea at such a young age is a funny thing to suggest-agreed breast milk should be enough and that mommy's diet needs to be paid close attention to- the things that seem most bland and harmless can be harsh to the system of a little one.

i do think, though, that the wisdom of older women is priceless. i am lucky to have in my family women who are well known in the small towns where they are because of their knowledge of massage and other unproven but simple and useful tips to calming or helping an infant through difficult times (at least it worked for my baby). my grandmother was very good at massaging and easing constipation by knowing where to touch and she had all sorts of weird but strangely helpful tips throughout my pregnancy (labor positions, cures for uti's, morning sickness, etc). looking also at the positions our babies are in for long periods of times is important- lying down, sitting etc, and they can help, but in the long run colic (and i have been there ) is really just a matter of time and utilizing all the support around you that you can.

for me, it was a period when i learned to ask for help (something i didn't like or feel that comfortable doing before) which is very important. also, i learned that we can't always relieve the suffering of our little ones but we can be there and try to ease them through it as best we can. and what a relief when we realize, after a day or two, that it is all over! as one poster your baby becomes another new little person- it is really wonderful.

as for vitamin d, i never heard that but i was always told i should take my son out every day in the morning and evening sun for a bit, maybe that should help and there wouldn't be a need for v.d. but then again, women in c.h and other parts of the world have had little ones here much longer than vit. d was available in pill form
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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

I agree in not giving your little one anything other than milk at this age.

Another theory about what causes colic is that the baby may not be getting enough hind-milk. Make sure your baby finishes the milk from the breast he is feeding from before changing him to the other.

(The fore-milk quenches their thirst and the hind-milk is high in fat which fills their tummies.)

My two monkeys did not suffer from colic. I watched what I ate as per Kedi's post below and ensured my breast was empty prior to allowing them to nurse on the other.

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Another thing I tried was cut down on certain foods:

-No broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage
-No chocolate
-Stopped tee/coffee, drank only occasionally. Drank stilltee instead.
-No chick peas, beans

Apparently whatever causes gas in you can cause gas in them, so although I think gas is only part of the problem, I did everything to minimize disturbances. Babies are born with an immature digestive system and they need time to adapt to their new environment. 6 more weeks and you will be fine.



Experts say that honey is not recommended for infants as "Honey can contain spores of a bacterium called Clostridium botulinum, which can germinate in a baby's immature digestive system and cause infant botulism, a rare but potentially fatal illness."
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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

Thanks for all the wonderful advice here, especially regarding diet and tips for soothing baby. I'm trying to drink the fennel tea myself and haven't yet tried giving it to baby. Fortunately I don't think he is colicky. He just has a large appetite that leads to crying when he thinks he will never get to eat again (forgetting he just ate an hour ago - or less!). And I agree with the sentiment that it's great to hear advice from mothers young and old. Thanks again!

and ETA (sleep deprivation makes me forgetful): re: Vitamin D drops. We initially had the type made with 60% alcohol, but after asking the pediatrician, we were given the kind made with oil instead, which seems to go down easier (i.e. minus the angry, "what are you doing to me??" crying).
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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

When we were in hospital still, the midwives came round and brought me some fennel tea to give lo. When I refused they said "but he liked it last night" (they'd taken him off me to their station so I could get some sleep)

To say I was furious would be an understatement....

I find it a strange idea to be honest, and we only once tried to give it to him. Because yes, breast milk should be enough for all his needs and once you start giving him extra liquids you start playing with your supply and that's never a good thing! All the BF advice I had was nothing else and no water til 6 months just let them drink as often as they want.

Don't force yourself to drink it if you can't stand it! The midwives did a good enough job of making me feel guilty. Do make sure you drink enough water though as I found that this really affected my supply. I found it easiest to keep a couple of bottles of water in the fridge so I could keep tabs on how much I'd drunk that day
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Old 19.05.2011, 22:39
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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

I have a picture of my little boy in his little hospital crib at around 2 hours old and tucked in the corner of the crib is a bottle, I didn't notice this at the time or for a while until recently when i was looking back at pics and saw it sat there. I have no idea what was in it but I was never asked.

Also my baby was brought back to me one day while in hospital with a dummy in, i was quite surprised but i wasn't too angry just thought thats strange, it would never happen in the uk. The dummy was pink and I have a boy. Anyway the next day i was asked by a nurse if i allowed my baby to have a dummy, I said well he's already been given one, I can only assume one of the nurses got the babies mixed up and my boy was given a pink dummy meant for a baby girl

They seem a lot more relaxed towards things over here and I just thought oh well i best go with the flow, no point kicking up a fuss and sounding precious but I was a bit annoyed
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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

My baby was also given what they called "tea" in the hospital on the second day. My milk hadn't come in yet, and my (Swiss) roommate, whose baby was one day older recommended that I ask them to give him the tea, so I could get some rest (he was crying constantly and never getting enough from the colostrum). Exhausted and probably crying myself, I finally caved in, so the nurse took him away, gave him the tea (I think it may have been glucose water) from a cup, and then he slept for almost 7 hours that night. That is the longest he has ever slept in his short life thus far. But this is different in that I asked them to give him the "tea" rather than them giving it to him without my permission. Had that been the case, I also would have been furious.
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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

That's really strange to give tea or something. My milk was also rather late and the colostrum was not enough for little one (because of a c-section). They gave formula, additional to my pumping the milk every 4 hours and my own attempts of nursing, which were rather not very successful. And no, the nipple confusion did not happen, I think little people are smart enough to know where their food is coming from, it's sort of an instinct.

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... that I ask them to give him the tea, so I could get some rest (he was crying constantly and never getting enough from the colostrum).
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That's really strange to give tea or something. My milk was also rather late and the colostrum was not enough for little one (because of a c-section). They gave formula, additional to my pumping the milk every 4 hours and my own attempts of nursing, which were rather not very successful. And no, the nipple confusion did not happen, I think little people are smart enough to know where their food is coming from, it's sort of an instinct.
I had the same experience, c section 4 week early no milk, was warned about nipple confusion but he has taken bottle and breast no problem since - we tried a cup for a few days but it was a waste of time and he wasn't getting anything so i just said sod it give him a bottle we'll cross that bridge when we come to it, luckily no bridge needed to be crossed.

Although lucky you pumping every 4 hours, I was told every 2 hours! and every 3 through the night - did this for close to 3 weeks, exhausting
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This pumping was really, really enervating and yes so exhausting. And the hospital pumping machine was so . But ALL the nurses ALL THE TIME told me how important this is and I will NEVER be able to nurse my baby. I'm still nursing my baby (13months) - so all this created stress was not really necessary.

They sort of completely influence you, which is what I didn't like, otherwise my stay in the hospital was great. Not to worry about a thing, no cooking and only lovely quality time with little one

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Although lucky you pumping every 4 hours, I was told every 2 hours! and every 3 through the night - did this for close to 3 weeks, exhausting
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This pumping was really, really enervating and yes so exhausting. And the hospital pumping machine was so . But ALL the nurses ALL THE TIME told me how important this is and I will NEVER be able to nurse my baby. I'm still nursing my baby (13months) - so all this created stress was not really necessary.

They sort of completely influence you, which is what I didn't like, otherwise my stay in the hospital was great. Not to worry about a thing, no cooking and only lovely quality time with little one
I was told I couldn't breast feed by all the lactation nurses in hospital - luckily my midwife worked at the hospital and visited me there - she told me to pump every 2 hours and go against the nurses and I am still breast feeding at 6 months (never had enough milk though and had to supplement from 4 months with 1 bottle a day)
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He just has a large appetite that leads to crying when he thinks he will never get to eat again (forgetting he just ate an hour ago - or less!)
If he wants to, just give him more, even if it is every hour or less. I have so been there, when kiddo was going through the growth spurts. It kicked my supply up, so it worked on mutiple levels. 12-14 feeds a day. Those shifts were evil, a few weeks, then it calmed down.

Now, I really second drinking 3l of water a day, it has a huge effect on supply. And warm herb teas did me well, too, for let down troubles. Not letting my bub go hungry too long, since it screws their latch or patience with nursing. If they are impatient too much and too many times, they suck hard for a min and then let go and fuss, the go on nursing strike. If they get their food always on time, or rather always before they notice they are hungry and they do not have to ask for it, they are super calm, sleep well and do not fuss, concentrate on efficiently emptying you and getting already mentioned hind milk. Fore milk makes them quench their thirst, but get hungry soon after and also makes their guts bloated.

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When we were in hospital still, the midwives came round and brought me some fennel tea to give lo. When I refused they said "but he liked it last night" (they'd taken him off me to their station so I could get some sleep)

To say I was furious would be an understatement....
I was too. There was no real faith in moms, at all. I disliked the lack of respect and ignoring moms wishes some midwives manifested, they didn't believe that some moms would actually do some kind of homework (they had no ideas that some moms actually don't mind being inconvenienced), on nursing, on other things, and pushed stuff on my bub and me. Like sugar water? It hasn't been done back home for decades. Tea for a newborn? Where are we, middle of WWII? Some of the other meds I was suggested haven't been used really since the war, phosphor washes? Geez.

On the other hand some staff was very sweet I had a fantastic nurse aid from Portugal, who didn't manage to speak but managed to teach me great latch. It was bizarre but efficient.

It was a strange time, but one forgets and remembers the sweet things. I never let my child out of the rooming in situ, I knew she would have things pushed on her. I had her skin on skin, sleeping on me often, it helped colostrum, latch and demand-supply balance. When kids smell your skin they immediately learn, super fast. They know better than moms, often. Even a few day old.

My close friend who has roughian triplet boys told me the most important advice. Never let the medical staff push you into anything without consulting or explaining in a professional way, they know exactly then they can push the hardest. It's not their priority to save your nursing, nor will be there when you feel bad coz you realized you missed the window of opportunity when things were still easily fixed. She nursed all three of them till they were 2.
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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

I found out about 10 days after my c section that the tablets i was given to help my uterus contract back were well known to create issues with breast feeding and affecting the milk coming in my midwife told me she had even warned the doctors many times to not use these drugs after discovering that they cause problems at a midwifery conference she had attended
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No tablets for uterus contraction. It does shrink so fast when you nurse, that it hurts like crazy. But these days medical professionals do not even count on chicks wanting to inconvenience themselves with nursing, so they give these pills to anyone, without even thinking. I had a special "nursing" diet at maternity ward: leaks, onions, beans, cabbage. I couldn't believe it. Sent my hubbby to smuggle McDo with no onions, as the hospital dietician didn't bother giving new moms any proteins, I guess it was too pricey, hahaha....

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Anyone have experience giving their very young baby fennel (or other variety) tea? Did it help sooth a fussy baby?
In short - Yes.

It worked well, covered any gaps in milk "supply" and gave some exposure to a bottle, which presumably makes the eventual transfer easier.
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No tablets for uterus contraction. It does shrink so fast when you nurse, that it hurts like crazy.
see i was told about this before having my baby about breast feeding helping your uterus contract back and that it can be painful, but I never had any pains or felt any contractions. Wish i had thought to ask about these tablets - i'll know if there is a next time, to not take them
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In short - Yes.

It worked well, covered any gaps in milk "supply" and gave some exposure to a bottle, which presumably makes the eventual transfer easier.
What also helps getting a baby used to a bottle is introducing it at 3 months for one of the feeds using expressed milk.
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see i was told about this before having my baby about breast feeding helping your uterus contract back and that it can be painful, but I never had any pains or felt any contractions. Wish i had thought to ask about these tablets - i'll know if there is a next time, to not take them
Don't stress, we all make our decisions in the best interest in mind, it's not like a brand new mom can think 100% about everything and check all the info you get from professionals, expecting them to advize you ill, anyways. Sometimes, we have to destress and that envolves some shortcuts. It's always prioritizing, some things are perfect, some aren't, it's ok. Btw, par rapport de binkies, I just saw this miracle Swiss pacifier, that does no damage, wow, the design makes sense..We had Curaprox teether I got our bub, she loved it, but, unfortunately the market wasn't bpa free yet here, darn it.


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What also helps getting a baby used to a bottle is introducing it at 3 months for one of the feeds using expressed milk.
I did that, not for the reason to follow up with formula, but so both parents can participate, I had some time off to take classes and integrate, bub had bm from the dad bottle, not until 8mo really, though, and no nipple confusion either. But it was rare, I know enough of kids who did quit for nipple confusion. It just pours faster, no effort needed. They are so smart it's incredible.

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see i was told about this before having my baby about breast feeding helping your uterus contract back and that it can be painful, but I never had any pains or felt any contractions. Wish i had thought to ask about these tablets - i'll know if there is a next time, to not take them
Maybe since you delivered a smaller baby, than your typical 3.5kilo on term babies. I am not sure if it has something to do with level of hormons, the pains when shrinking, I think so, those uterus shrinking pills must be hormonal. I cringe thinking about latch and that debilitating uterus spasm, blech. For about 6wks. But, I was overdosed with pytocin at birth with an overdose of epi at the same time, so the mix of it might have set me for those contraction pains weeks on after birth, I had an abdominal muscle damage caused by the over medication, it took about 4 years to calm. Still can't do much of crunches, but it's alrite.
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I did that, not for the reason to follow up with formula, but so both parents can participate, I had some time off to take classes and integrate, bub had bm from the dad bottle, not until 8mo really, though, and no nipple confusion either. But it was rare, I know enough of kids who did quit for nipple confusion. It just pours faster, no effort needed. They are so smart it's incredible.
Yes, the reason for introducing a bottle at three months is multifold. Nipple confusion, however, should not occur if only one feed a day is replaced with a bottle. All this single feed will do is help the baby learn how to suck from one.

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I cringe thinking about latch and that debilitating uterus spasm, blech. For about 6wks. But, I was overdosed with pytocin at birth with an overdose of epi at the same time, so the mix of it might have set me for those contraction pains weeks on after birth, I had an abdominal muscle damage caused by the over medication, it took about 4 years to calm. Still can't do much of crunches, but it's alrite.
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