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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Do you think these magical diet choices have helped you? Do you not think it is of more benefit to anybody in a similar situation to advise them to eat a healthy balanced diet and take reasonable amounts of light exercise, as per international medical recommendation?
Their diet is working simply because, to put it bluntly, they are eating a lot less than they were before.

And, they say they have never felt better in a all their life, and they're off their medication.

This would all have worked if they had eaten carbs and dairy - after all it works for the rest of us. It was their massive over-consumption that was causing the problems.

Anyway, if it were all so easy then none of us would be overweight, drink too much, smoke etc etc.

So well done to Focus for dealing with it rather than blaming everyone else for his health problems. (I hope this doesn't sound condescending).
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Old 24.06.2011, 18:44
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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

@Jonny

You're on a bit of a crusade here.

All Focus basically said, in effect, is that he's on a vegetarian diet (although he didn't specifically say he was excluding meat). As for cutting out sugars, I read it that he meant processed/refined sugars.

Why the facist comment?

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Good for you - don't put yourself down, just because you've chosen to modify your diet doesn't mean your life is boring.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

I'd like to applaud all of those sufferers here who have made drastic lifestyle changes due to their type 2 diabetes, and I make no accusations. For many of us, if we could alter our previous lifestyle choices for the sake of future ones, we would.

However, I'm curious to know, how many of the sufferers here ticked more than half of the following boxes before or when diagnosed:

  • overweight (by more than a few kgs)
  • poor nutrition/diet
  • inactive (less than 1 hour cardio per week)
  • smoker
  • drinker
Yes it is great news that type 2 maybe can be reversed or treated well..but the message from this thread to others should be one of prevention, should it not? What are the warning signs? What are the symptoms?

I know very well that I am a carb-sensitive body type, a pre-cursor of type 2 diabetes. My weight has yo-yo'ed over the last 20 years between 82kg and 95kg...but I am currently close to my ideal weight, at 78kg. My diet could be improved quite a bit, but I don't drink, smoke and my exercise is a combination of indoor climbing (raises metabolism) and cycling, running (burns calories). I'll be 40 this year, but continually challenging my body helps me maintain endurance, good blood pressure and most importantly, muscle mass.

I believe regular exercise is the crucial part of prevention, because it tends to highlight the other health deficits and force you to do something about it. Also, the human body has a "use it or lose it" mechanism associated to many functions that gets more prevelant with age...muscle mass is one of them.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

I can also recommend a year living on a shoestring in south India. A friend of mine lived in Chennai for 9 months, lost a quarter of her body weight, and fell pregnant too in the height of summer...and found out later that her son is a 'one in a million' baby...came back looking awesome!

Obviously, they were on a much lower calorie diet (she's vegetarian anyway), virtually no dairy, and plenty of exercise...

I cut my carbohydrate intake and swapped high glycaemic index foods for low and medium GI foods, and lost about 12kg over one year...plus a new job where I was much more active...Carb counting really seemed to work...but I got all the info from a proper dietician...
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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

Do you think these magical diet choices have helped you?
Magical?
Not really. More of a case of being quite simple. Sugar is my problem and will always be. So, it is very simple, do not eat sugar . I do know that the body converts refined carbohydrates into sugar, so do not eat refined carbohydrates. So, I do not eat refined carbohydrates and sugar. Seems like magic because the weight came off fairly quickly and I was no longer diabetic.

Do you not think it is of more benefit to anybody in a similar situation to advise them to eat a healthy balanced diet and take reasonable amounts of light exercise, as per international medical recommendation?

Sure, it would be great if I ate a well balanced diet. But I did not and crossed over the line. No going back. If I eat sugar and refined flour products I will have a problem again. You might question if this is proven. I really donít care and am not prepared to take the chance. It is not that important that I eat otherwise. Besides I am now enjoying the diet I am on.

Do you not think fruits are chocked full of sugar?
Some fruits yes, and especially dried fruits.

And that complex carbohydrate actually provides the basis for your body to function during exercise?
Not sure. What I have read is that much of the refined flour is bad for me. .
And maybe red meat has a certain amount of Iron and good proteins that are beneficial in a balanced diet?
I donít eat red meat and feel better as a result. My choice.

Maybe it would be wiser to advise balance and moderation on all food products to create a balanced and healthy diet, not food fascism that completely excises certain foods and/or promotes other foods above and beyond their station.
Yes, it might be wise to eat a well balanced diet but I did not .
If I have now to be a fascist about what I eat to be healthy and stay alive so be it. If this is the punishment for abusing my body then so be it.

No magic just common sense

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Their diet is working simply because, to put it bluntly, they are eating a lot less than they were before.

And, they say they have never felt better in a all their life, and they're off their medication.

This would all have worked if they had eaten carbs and dairy - after all it works for the rest of us. It was their massive over-consumption that was causing the problems.

Anyway, if it were all so easy then none of us would be overweight, drink too much, smoke etc etc.

So well done to Focus for dealing with it rather than blaming everyone else for his health problems. (I hope this doesn't sound condescending).
Yes, I did eat less but in some cases I ate a lot and still the weight stayed down. This blew me away.

I do know that when I did not the floured products that I felt empty and dissatisfied but eventually this feeling went away. The best feeling was getting up from the table and not feeling stuffed.

I really do not care how it was done. The message is that I am now healthier. What I did worked for me. It was simple for me, do not eat sugar or refined products

Yes, in my past I smoked, drank and over ate and I had to pay the price. Yes, if only I had not my life would have been better. The problem was I would not listen(thick headed) wanted to take the easy road, thought I would last forever, came up with many excuses and justifications. Too bad I had to wait to be forced to do something about it.
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Yes it is great news that type 2 maybe can be reversed or treated well..but the message from this thread to others should be one of prevention, should it not? What are the warning signs? What are the symptoms?
In my opinion is that we need to be able to recognize the messages from our bodies but first we need to learn what the messages are.
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I believe regular exercise is the crucial part of prevention, because it tends to highlight the other health deficits and force you to do something about it. Also, the human body has a "use it or lose it" mechanism associated to many functions that gets more prevelant with age...muscle mass is one of them.
I think that exercise is important but it is not the only solution. I exercised before I went on the diet but it did not help.The diet/nutrition was the important thing in my journey but to keep it off and not rebound will take exercise.

Very important is a change in life style and a practice relaxation, bacially turning off. A lot of overeating is a result of stress and anxiety.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

It's pretty much a fact that white flour raises blood sugar faster than eating pure sugar isn't it? Regardless of the supposed dangers of fats, is it not also clear that eating refined carbs is not all that healthy. Or is the glaecimic index not recognised as scientific fact?
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In my opinion is that we need to be able to recognize the messages from our bodies but first we need to learn what the messages are.
One message is being half asleep in the middle of the afternoon. Time to question why lunch did that to you.
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One message is being half asleep in the middle of the afternoon. Time to question why lunch did that to you.
I have been coaching children/adults for many years on how to pay attention and I am still amazed that many people are diagnosed with ADD because they fall asleep in the afternoon when it basically from a lunch of carbs.
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It's pretty much a fact that white flour raises blood sugar faster than eating pure sugar isn't it? Regardless of the supposed dangers of fats, is it not also clear that eating refined carbs is not all that healthy. Or is the glaecimic index not recognised as scientific fact?
I have started to trust in my messages. I really do not need anyone anymore to tell me what it is good for me. Deep down inside I knew what is bad for me. Many times I used a lot of information as an excuse not to do whats good for me.
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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

I come from a family of skinny, very active people. And I was very slim and always extremely active, sporty- and was still slim after our 2 daughters were born. I started putting on weight in my early 40s - still as active, walking, swimming skiing, heavy gardening, etc, and working full time as a languages teacher, so always on my feet. Still eating a healthy diet, but perhaps with less than ideal portion control. No fizzy drinks, no sugar in tea or coffee, alcohol only when our with friends, and no smoking, 5 fruit and veg a day- etc, but tended to be starving after school, and with OH getting home late- had healthy snacks at 5ish then a too large, but healthy dinner at 7.30ish. I often felt tired and cold - but knowing me well, my GP thought that was due to stress of the job and the fact I had a lot of stress due to teenage kids and elderly parents abroad- trying to juggle too many things. Then she thought it was due to menopause, which made sense due to my age. She failed to take blood as I have little veins with a tendency to collapse, and said we would do the test another time. Bu time went - and eventually I was 52 when the test was finally done. Turned out I had a very under-active thyroid which had been a strong contributor to my weight gain- had developed insulin resistance and was borderline Type 2 diabetic. I just could NOT believe it. She told me once medication (thyroxine) re-balance my thyroid, that the weight would just 'drop off'- but it didn't. It took huge effort and a new diet of low GI foods and more than 1 year to lose 1 stone. But since then, I am stuck there- and in the meantime I have developed Type 2 diabetes proper, and on medication (Metformin, 850 X day). I am still very active, I eat a low GI diet- sugar treats are rare (but have a couple of squares of black 70% chocolate every night) - and am trying hard with portion control so that the disease does not progress. But I am still very chubby - although fit and muscular with it. I am so lucky to have genetically inherited low-blood pressure.

Sometimes, it is not just as easy as it seems. No excuses though.
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So, anyone here want to start the diet with me ?

I suppose I should approach a nutritionist / dietitian to get a meal plan.

Any suggestions ?
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Re: Type 2 diabetes in newly diagnosed 'can be reversed' - drastic 2 month diet.

Not 'that' diet though- high protein diets have shown very adverse health issues apart from diabetes, like kidney and heart problems, and gout, etc. I will continue to eat a balanced diet, just cutting out excess bad fats and some carbs- and continue to address portion control.
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Not 'that' diet though- high protein diets have shown very adverse health issues apart from diabetes, like kidney and heart problems, and gout, etc. I will continue to eat a balanced diet, just cutting out excess bad fats and some carbs- and continue to address portion control.
Should be OK for two months though, those problems kick in after years don't they ?
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Actually, no- although to be fair the evidence of all sorts of damages, including severe osteoporosis, is related to the Adkins and related high protein, low carb diets. Anyway, a 2 month's diet might kick Type 2 for a while, but long-term it will re-appear if permanent lifestyle change are not made.
For me, as I am very active and have been diagnosed 8 years ago- 600 cals a day is just un-imaginable - but cutting down portions is my aim- as I have already switched to a low GI diet (GI = glycemic index). The problem with type 2 is not really just sugar (I have very little in my eating regime) - but high GI carbs = carbs that contain a lot of starch (sticky rice, older potatoes (baked pots for instance)- the starch turns very quickly into sugar on absorption and kicks in the insulin + resistance, and the sugar released turns immediately into fat- much quicker than in 'normal' people - hence the difficulty for people with Type 2 (esp if combined with a thyroid disfunction) to lose weight- despite being active, non drinkers, non smokers, and careful with what they eat.

I'd be very happy to start a support group based on healthy eating, more GI awareness and better portion control + learning to eat more slowly, which I know is an issue for me + of course encouraging more exercise. It takes a lot of guts to take up sports when one is overweight. And practical issues too - for skiing for instance, there are plenty of trousers and jackets for overweight MEN - but not for overweight women! I have found a way of adapting all my ski /snowboarding gear to my size. However, the support and friendship I get from young people on the slopes is amazing, and so encouraging and fun. I actually travel quite a distance to avoid my local swimming pool for obvious reasons!

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Congratulations Odile, I find your sensible post perhaps one of the best I've read.
The 600 calorie diet is nuts for a diabetic (or anybody else for that matter).

UTH, Do look up the history of the discovery of diabetes. Recently there was a documentary regarding if these diets really eradicate diabetes (from what I understand it is a really old idea) and the result was that it didn't or not completely (can't remember, but there was a discussion about validity of a hypocalorie diet)
If you've just been diagnosed with diabetes, be aware that it will take some time to balance the hypo and the hyper gylcemias, it will take time to adjust to mood swings and physical issues caused by the hypers/hypos and medications. Have a lot of patience with yourself and make sure your friends and family understand what you are going through.

Tom, One point you didn't mention in your list is stress and cortisol.
If you are prone to serious stress, your body creates cortisol and cortisol can create a favorable ground for diabetes.
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Congratulations Odile, I find your sensible post perhaps one of the best I've read.
The 600 calorie diet is nuts for a diabetic (or anybody else for that matter).

UTH, Do look up the history of the discovery of diabetes. Recently there was a documentary regarding if these diets really eradicate diabetes (from what I understand it is a really old idea) and the result was that it didn't or not completely (can't remember, but there was a discussion about validity of a hypocalorie diet)
If you've just been diagnosed with diabetes, be aware that it will take some time to balance the hypo and the hyper gylcemias, it will take time to adjust to mood swings and physical issues caused by the hypers/hypos and medications. Have a lot of patience with yourself and make sure your friends and family understand what you are going through.

Tom, One point you didn't mention in your list is stress and cortisol.
If you are prone to serious stress, your body creates cortisol and cortisol can create a favorable ground for diabetes.
I really think Type II in some cases is more a condition than a disease. As you put weight on around the middle, in later years, inner fat backs up around the pancreas and impairs its function. A short sharp diet would reverse that condition, and a continued sensible diet/lifestyle would keep it away ?

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Type II is becoming epidemic. The BBC has had so many articles on it lately, I really think the surge in incidence has caught people off guard. Interesting reading.
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