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British Passport for baby with unmarried parents

Hello,

So I'm nearly 4 months pregnant and I have just been reading about passport applications for baby due in October. I am British and so are both my parents. My OH is Swiss and so are both his parents. We are not married, and personally not planning to rush this.

I understand that from CH we will have to apply to the Paris office. Got that bit ok. But do I send them the Swiss birth certificate or do I have to register them at the British Consul in Bern first.

Also, as we are unmarried will the father be allowed on the birth certificates both Swiss and potential the British one if needed?

I have seen lots of questions and solutions regarding applications for British passports when both parents are British and married but how does it work in my situation?

I would like to apply for our babies passport ASAP so that we can go back to the UK but not sure how long the process is in my situation.

Does anyone have experience of this, as it seems so complicated. We are seriously moving back to the UK to save the te hassle as I don't fancy not being able to travel for months on end after the birth because of passport issues.

Any help would be really appreciated.
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Old 23.04.2012, 15:32
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Hello,

So I'm nearly 4 months pregnant and I have just been reading about passport applications for baby due in October. I am British and so are both my parents. My OH is Swiss and so are both his parents. We are not married, and personally not planning to rush this.

I understand that from CH we will have to apply to the Paris office. Got that bit ok. But do I send them the Swiss birth certificate or do I have to register them at the British Consul in Bern first.

Also, as we are unmarried will the father be allowed on the birth certificates both Swiss and potential the British one if needed?

I have seen lots of questions and solutions regarding applications for British passports when both parents are British and married but how does it work in my situation?

I would like to apply for our babies passport ASAP so that we can go back to the UK but not sure how long the process is in my situation.

Does anyone have experience of this, as it seems so complicated. We are seriously moving back to the UK to save the te hassle as I don't fancy not being able to travel for months on end after the birth because of passport issues.

Any help would be really appreciated.
Have you tried looking on the website for the consulate in Paris? There should be information on there.

Would the baby not be eligible for a Swiss passport if the father is Swiss?

I don't know about the Swiss birth certificate but the father's name is certainly allowed on a British birth certificate whether you are married or not.

It doesn't take long for a passport to come from Paris as long as there are no complications.

When we got our son's passport we didn't need to register him at the consulate before applying and it was not even necessary to get him a British birth certificate (although we chose to do so). This was in Belgium though and we were married so not at all the same as in your case.
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Re: British Passport for baby with unmarried parents

This time last year we were also in a hurry to get our newborn's passport sorted. I just sent the local Swiss birth certificate to Paris and this was acceptable.

The British birth certificate organized at the Bern office we sorted out at a later date once we'd received the passport.
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Would the baby not be eligible for a Swiss passport if the father is Swiss?
Not unless they are legally married. As far as I know ( a friend gave birth recently with a Swiss partner ) the baby will not be even allowed to take the father's name.
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Would the baby not be eligible for a Swiss passport if the father is Swiss?
Yes, so long as the father is declared on the birth certificate.

My step-son acquired citizenship this way.

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I understand that from CH we will have to apply to the Paris office. Got that bit ok. But do I send them the Swiss birth certificate or do I have to register them at the British Consul in Bern first.
Passport application and registration are two separate things and not dependent on each other.

Apply for passport - this is about confirming your nationality. Registration is optional - this is about telling them where they are.

Ask for an international birth certificate. IIRC it comes in D/F/I/E.

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As far as I know ( a friend gave birth recently with a Swiss partner ) the baby will not be even allowed to take the father's name.
Nonsense.

My stepson is not married to his fiancee, but their child has his last name.

Also, my current wife's first child was born before she was married, and also has the father's name, as well as her sister's eldest child (never married the father).

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Not unless they are legally married. As far as I know ( a friend gave birth recently with a Swiss partner ) the baby will not be even allowed to take the father's name.
Firstly congratulations, I take it that you are a British national born in the UK, is that correct, may be tricky getting a UK passport if you were born outside the UK. You will only have one birth certificate from the country where the child is born. If the child is born in the UK opt for a long birth certificate, that will save you problems later if you come back to Switzerland, in any case both parents and grandparents will be entered on the birth certificate inb the UK or in Switzerland. http://www.vitalcertificates.co.uk/w...icate-51-p.asp

Yes as I understand it, you would need to be married to get the Swiss passport. IF you stay in Switzerland I also think that you need to send everything to Paris, our children to unmarried british Parents were able to take both our surnames and we managed to get the Swiss birth certificate changed from my partners name to both our names as their Surname but we could do that because we were both British and the child(ren) are British. In your case the child will take your surname, unmarried mother. What may be interesting you may want to change the child's surname under British law to reflect both the parents interst, confuse the hell out of the Swiss, although I am not sure if that is possible until the child turns 18. Some more info http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governme...cord/DG_175618

If you return to the UK then UK law applies for the birth
, child can take the Surname of both parents if wanted I think and they will have a UK Birth Certificate. If you return to Switzerland later then the Swiss authorities have to follow the information on the UK birth certificate.

You cannot apply for a passport until the child has been born, the most difficult bit is taking the photo.

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Re: British Passport for baby with unmarried parents

You can find pretty much everything on the Consulate site:

Register a birth:
http://ukinswitzerland.fco.gov.uk/en...register-birth

For the passport:
http://ukinswitzerland.fco.gov.uk/en...als/passports/
Which leads you to:
http://ukinfrance.fco.gov.uk/en/help...ly/switzerland

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You can find pretty much everything on the Consulate site:

Register a birth:
http://ukinswitzerland.fco.gov.uk/en...register-birth

For the passport:
http://ukinswitzerland.fco.gov.uk/en...als/passports/
Which leads you to:
http://ukinfrance.fco.gov.uk/en/help...ly/switzerland

Fun, fun, fun!!!
It looks like things have changed a bit since we registered our twins 9 years ago. May be now you can have a UK and Swiss birth certificate. What is important is to follow your gut feeling. Does it matter what surname the child has? Depending upon your thoughts may have an influence where the child is born.

For new passports I would allow two -three weeks processing time in Paris. Infact the passports will be sent by DHL from the UK. If you do have the birth in the UK, make sure that you have your partners birth certificate with you to register your childs birth.
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Re: British Passport for baby with unmarried parents

It's probably less complicated than it seems, depending on what the British requirements for obtaining a passport are. Collecting all the bits of paper for the Swiss side was time-consuming and expensive and may require a trip to your embassy but getting the documents issued after the birth was straightforward (although I'm not British, so check what documents are required for a British passport).

What no one has mentioned, but may be relevant as you are unmarried is that your partner needs to officially declare himself as father of the child and he will also later sign a declaration of support where it's formally put what would happen if you were to separate. Once you have this paper, the birth certificate will be issued with his details etc without problem. Ours is a multi-lingual one that we ordered online after the birth. This was acceptable for an Irish passport.

If you want the child to have your partners name you just need to request a statement from your embassy that in the UK the baby can have whichever surname the parent's decide (mother's or father's or both).

Just to add: the declaration of paternity should be done prior to the birth and it does take a while to get all the documents together so start asap
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Not unless they are legally married. As far as I know ( a friend gave birth recently with a Swiss partner ) the baby will not be even allowed to take the father's name.
Not true. My daughter's father is Swiss and we were not married (not even together any longer as it happens) and my daughter has both Swiss and British passports. I didn't even need his signatures to have them issued, just a copy of his birth certificate and the document showing he agrees that he is the father.


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Does anyone have experience of this, as it seems so complicated. We are seriously moving back to the UK to save the te hassle as I don't fancy not being able to travel for months on end after the birth because of passport issues.

Any help would be really appreciated.
I applied for my little one's Swiss passport when she was 6 weeks old and we received it 2 weeks later. I thought the UK one would take ages to arrive but actually only took 10 days (I submitted the application when she was 4 months old). It's not as complicated as it seems and was quite a painless process. I've had more problems connecting a phone line in CH than getting her passports
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Re: British Passport for baby with unmarried parents

Taking one some of the advice we enquired at our local germinde. Putting the ball in motion we now know How to register the father as the legal father etc. as we are unmarried the lady confirmed that the child would receive my surname not my partners until we are married. She even explained that even with a letter from the British consulate wold not change that as this is Swiss law.

In order to get my partner to legally register his paternity I need to send in my Birth certificate (no more than 6 months old) to the Germinde as soon as possible, my British passport and my Ausweis. I will then be personally interviewed regarding paternity. As they already have my partners details we assume he will just sign the form.

We are trying to get as much done prior to the birth as possible. The Germinde we very helpful so far. Will keep you guys posted.
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...connecting a phone line in CH than getting her passports
You got a phone line!?
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Taking one some of the advice we enquired at our local germinde. Putting the ball in motion we now know How to register the father as the legal father etc. as we are unmarried the lady confirmed that the child would receive my surname not my partners until we are married. She even explained that even with a letter from the British consulate wold not change that as this is Swiss law.
But the child isn't Swiss, so under British law if you wanted the child to have or incorporate your partners name somehow then you could then ask for the name of the birth certificate issued at birth to be changed. We have two birth certificates for our boys, one with just my partners name on that was issued at birth and one with mypartnerssurname-mysurname as the children's surname issued three months later, which we use as the proper certificate., against which we had the passports issued.
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Not true. My daughter's father is Swiss and we were not married (not even together any longer as it happens) and my daughter has both Swiss and British passports.
If the father is Swiss, and recognizes the child as his, the child IS Swiss, married or not!

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But the child isn't Swiss, so under British law if you wanted the child to have or incorporate your partners name somehow then you could then ask for the name of the birth certificate issued at birth to be changed. We have two birth certificates for our boys, one with just my partners name on that was issued at birth and one with mypartnerssurname-mysurname as the children's surname issued three months later, which we use as the proper certificate., against which we had the passports issued.
But you are both British. The OP's partner is Swiss so the child will be Swiss too as OP has indicated that he intends to officially recognise the child as his.

ETA. Tom is faster than me.

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If the father is Swiss, and recognizes the child as his, the child IS Swiss, married or not!

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That's what the lady said. She said if we were both foreign it would be different.
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That's what the lady said. She said if we were both foreign it would be different.
OK can the child have a Swiss passport? If that is the case, what is the point of getting married! I guess it boils down to the surname of the child and whether you want to follow Swiss law or UK law, depending upon where the child is born and the reprocussions thereafter!
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Not true. My daughter's father is Swiss and we were not married (not even together any longer as it happens) and my daughter has both Swiss and British passports. I didn't even need his signatures to have them issued, just a copy of his birth certificate and the document showing he agrees that he is the father.




I applied for my little one's Swiss passport when she was 6 weeks old and we received it 2 weeks later. I thought the UK one would take ages to arrive but actually only took 10 days (I submitted the application when she was 4 months old). It's not as complicated as it seems and was quite a painless process. I've had more problems connecting a phone line in CH than getting her passports
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OK can the child have a Swiss passport?

Based om Mimi's posts I would say the answer to that question is yes.
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