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Re: Need advice buying protein shakes

informative discussion as I'm about to re-embark on weight lifting after a several year lay off due to a car accident. I have a question ...

Where can I get body fat analysis done in Zürich?
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Re: Need advice buying protein shakes

A debate of taking Protein has been going on for many years…and its totally fine to have an opinion on it.

Protein Shakes are a supplement to your diet, not to replace a meal. Therefore a good source of Isolate Protein (please research Isolate Whey) does not make you gain MASS in any way but only to help you recover and provide those muscles with that added nutrients that it needs. The Protein Powder these days do not bloat you in any way or form, they remove Lactose (which slows down digestion), almost all sugar is removed (although sugars do exist in the product but all foods contain sugar even FRUIT i.e. Apples). With all this in context the Protein cant get to work right away, and feed those muscles.

The men with huge arms and bloated stomachs are on different supplements and if you think they look abnormal then have you ever questioned anything else other then Protein? i.e. steroids?

No one never did say that natural food sources did not contain anything but food stuff for you (at times) but as I have mentioned Protein Shakes are a supplement to your diet and can help you to gain LEAN muscle mass/recovery. People who have health issues may need a supplement such as that to aid recover after sports as they cannot gain everything they need from a natural food source.

I was diagnosed with Lactose and Fructose intolerance at the start of the year, therefore I had to rethink my eating habits and find alternative ways to get those much needed nutrients when required. Not once has a doctor or a dietician state that they are wrong and should not be taken. Vegetarian can also benefit from Protein Shakes. Am currently taking a very good Protein shake and in no way am I gorilla type or any where near being a person with Muscle Mass, but yet am taking it to help me recover, use it as a deity supplement along with all the good sources of food that I can eat. This year was a big learning curve on what sources of food are good and bad, foods that contain LOTS bad sugar etc and there Protein Shakes are defiantly not a problem.

Just my opinion….

oh and @TOM1234: if you read back, I state that Protein Shakes help RECOVER not once did I imply or mentioned that Milk has no protein, that’s something you would have learned at school, unless you cant read or didn’t go to school. Ever heard of Sarcasm? Or stating the obvious?

And @SAM: please go out and do your research, its important that you find the correct supplement that are for your needs. Speak to a dietician or a personal trainer. Remember that Protein shakes are totally fine to take.

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Old 07.05.2012, 16:13
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A debate of taking Protein has been going on for many years…and its totally fine to have an opinion on it.
Not according to you as you groan anyone with a different viewpoint.


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oh and @TOM1234: if you read back, I state that Protein Shakes help RECOVER not once did I imply or mentioned that Milk has no protein, that’s something you would have learned at school, unless you cant read or didn’t go to school. Ever heard of Sarcasm? Or stating the obvious?
If Protein shakes help you recover because they have protein in them then milk also helps you recover as it also has protein in it.

If you have a lactose intolerance and so cannot take milk, then it doesn't make my response void on a general level.

Which is about protein powders helping obese people to lose weight which is not what we're really discussing here, however much relevance it may have to your own situation.

(as an aside, can you please use a simple text editor when you post as all the font changes, font sizes, font colours etc that you include in your posts make them painful to multi-quote)
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Not according to you as you groan anyone with a different viewpoint.




If Protein shakes help you recover because they have protein in them then milk also helps you recover as it also has protein in it.

If you have a lactose intolerance and so cannot take milk, then it doesn't make my response void on a general level.



Which is about protein powders helping obese people to lose weight which is not what we're really discussing here, however much relevance it may have to your own situation.

(as an aside, can you please use a simple text editor when you post as all the font changes, font sizes, font colours etc that you include in your posts make them painful to multi-quote)
I groaned at the fact that you stated you asked 'Are you saying that milk does not contain protein?' - Obviously Milk contains Protein. Fact not an opinion

Proteins Shakes contain vast amounts of various ingredients aiding recover, not just Protein. - Research the benefits of Protein Shakes

The is a thing called Lactose Free Milk (which contains Proteins) - Still makes your point invalid as I still drink milk and use Milk in my Protein Shakes!

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I groaned at the fact that you stated you asked 'Are you saying that milk does not contain protein?' - Obviously Milk contains Protein. Fact not an opinion

Proteins Shakes contain vast amounts of various ingredients aiding recover, not just Protein. - Research the benefits of Protein Shakes

The is a thing called Lactose Free Milk (which contains Proteins) - Still makes your point invalid as I still drink milk and use Milk in my Protein Shakes!

No problem, I shall accommodate your needs on the Text Editor side of things :-)

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Have we not already covered the 'protein shake religion' question...
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*face in palm*

Have we not already covered the 'protein shake religion' question...

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......., but yet am taking it to help me recover, use it as a deity supplement along with all the good sources of food that I can eat. This year was a big learning curve on what sources of food are good and bad, foods that contain LOTS bad sugar etc and there Protein Shakes are defiantly not a problem.
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Nothing wrong with a Moan and Groan from time to time...and engage in a debate :-)

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Re: Need advice buying protein shakes

Hi Sam, and other Diet experts,

Sam, I am really impressed with you weight reduction plan. you lost 15 KGs in 2 months. I am going through the same problem. I am 184 CM (1.84 Mts) and weigh 89 Kgs. I need to get rid of about 7.5 Kgs to feel okay. I want to start a plan soon so any experience sharing or tips would be really helpful.

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Hi Sam, and other Diet experts,

Sam, I am really impressed with you weight reduction plan. you lost 15 KGs in 2 months. I am going through the same problem. I am 184 CM (1.84 Mts) and weigh 89 Kgs. I need to get rid of about 7.5 Kgs to feel okay. I want to start a plan soon so any experience sharing or tips would be really helpful.

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Hi Sam, and other Diet experts,

Sam, I am really impressed with you weight reduction plan. you lost 15 KGs in 2 months. I am going through the same problem. I am 184 CM (1.84 Mts) and weigh 89 Kgs. I need to get rid of about 7.5 Kgs to feel okay. I want to start a plan soon so any experience sharing or tips would be really helpful.

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Han I can guarantee 7.5 Kg in a month but you need to be ready to eat as much as you want and exercise.
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Not sure who is making fun of me here among you two. But I was really serious. Since someone lost 15 KG I am sure he made a strict plan or some course and my intention was purely to understand what worked for OP. Although I must say Tom1234's suggestion was a big eye opener for me. Never figured it out my self so far.

JR1965, can you please share your idea as well where I need to eat as much as I want. I don't want extra cholesterol or high fat diets.
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Not sure who is making fun of me here among you two. But I was really serious. Since someone lost 15 KG I am sure he made a strict plan or some course and my intention was purely to understand what worked for OP. Although I must say Tom1234's suggestion was a big eye opener for me. Never figured it out my self so far.

I wasn't trying to be funny. Seriously, there are a lot of people on this forum who have lost a lot of weight and, more importantly, kept it off.

What they have in common is that they have cut down their calorie intake (eaten less) and taken more exercise.

You haven't said whether you take any exercise at all but if not then you really do need to as you can be thin and unhealthy as well as fat and unhealthy.
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Yaa I agree to you.

I am running once or twice a week, about 6-7.5 KM/40-45 mins on flat surface. I have one class of 60 mins a week with lot of muscle exercises with a trainer.

I try eating a balance of Carbs, Fats and Proteins. I think I tend to drink more alcohol then I would ideally like. Say 4-6 beers or wine glass a week but in 1-2 sittings.

I would like to do a 4 weeks -6 weeks more disciplined eat / Workout regime.

Any suggestions?
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I was going to give some non PC advice on what has always worked for me but fat people would have been up in arms so I won't bother
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Yaa I agree to you.

I am running once or twice a week, about 6-7.5 KM/40-45 mins on flat surface. I have one class of 60 mins a week with lot of muscle exercises with a trainer.

I try eating a balance of Carbs, Fats and Proteins. I think I tend to drink more alcohol then I would ideally like. Say 4-6 beers or wine glass a week but in 1-2 sittings.

I would like to do a 4 weeks -6 weeks more disciplined eat / Workout regime.

Any suggestions?
I am not joking with you either. Your excercise regime seems adequate enough to do what is required however you must be willing to follow a protocol that is a life time of healthy eating no shakes or pills ....Real food as much as you want....PM me
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You can get more than enough protein from a glass of milk after a workout compared with one of these protein shakes.
It all depends on your goals. If you're lifting a lot of weight with the intention of building significant amounts of muscle, you need to be consuming a lot of protein (and a lot of calories in general). The general rule of thumb is that you should be consuming about 2g of protein per day for every kilo in bodyweight. So a 100kg bodybuilder should be consuming about 200g of protein a day.

A liter of milk contains 32g of protein, or about the same as a single protein shake. To get the same amount of protein as three shakes, you'd need to be drinking three liters of milk a day -- that's a lot of milk, which can cause problems with bloating and lactose intolerance. Plus, personally, I don't like the taste of milk.

Sure, you can consume 200g of protein from natural food -- but it's hard work and takes dedicated eating. I could never manage it. Which is why throwing in 100g of protein shakes a day to supplement 100g of natural protein a day makes life a lot easier.

All of this doesn't matter if you're not lifting serious amounts of weight on a regular basis in conjunction with the protein. It's not a magic bullet, but without enough protein (and calories), your progress will be slower and will reach a natural plateau.
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I am not joking with you either. Your excercise regime seems adequate enough to do what is required however you must be willing to follow a protocol that is a life time of healthy eating no shakes or pills ....Real food as much as you want....PM me
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To sum up, I want a suppliment to increase my stamina but not to gain weight or muacle.
Sorry, have just re-read this. The supplement to increase your stamina is called "aerobic exercise".

Protein is used to supplement muscle growth, which will also be accompanied by weight gain (both muscle, and to a lesser degree, fat).

Different objectives, different approaches.
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