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Chicken pox vaccine for infants

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I was wondering if anyone has vaccinated their child for chicken pox. Reason I ask is that in South Africa where I come from its the norm but here it is not part of the vaccinations.

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Re: Chicken pox vaccine for infants

Different mentality here, I would definitely vaccinate, the health insurance pays.
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine for infants

I don't think they vaccinate for chicken pox here. My children were definitely never vaccinated and one sees children with chicken pox quite often. it's considered one of those illnesses children "should" have to strengthen their immune system against it for later.

Ask your local GP for more information and then make your own decision.
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine for infants

I find it very irresponsible here to allow infected children in public areas.

I was in a coma for 2 days, aged 30, with chicken pox, which I caught from my children.

My friend aged 64 nearly died in Solothurn hospital, she had shingles, brought on by contact with the chicken pox virus.

So yes, I would definitely recommend vaccinations, it is a dangerous illness.
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine for infants

I chatted to my pediatrician about it and he said it isn't necessary to vaccinate my son as he is healthy and doesn't see it as a dangerous illness. Only if my son was diabetic, poorly or had leukemia would he consider it. I will chat to him again.

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I find it very irresponsible here to allow infected children in public areas.

I was in a coma for 2 days, aged 30, with chicken pox, which I caught from my children.

My friend aged 64 nearly died in Solothurn hospital, she had shingles, brought on by contact with the chicken pox virus.

So yes, I would definitely recommend vaccinations, it is a dangerous illness.
It's not generally dangerous for children but can be for adults.

As most children who seem to get it, do so in a mild form, vaccination is not deemed necessary.

You can still get shingles as an adult even if you had chicken pox as a child so I'm not sure how effective a vaccination would be for an adult.
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I don't think they vaccinate for chicken pox here. My children were definitely never vaccinated and one sees children with chicken pox quite often. it's considered one of those illnesses children "should" have to strengthen their immune system against it for later.
Since 2005, it's recommended for teenagers and young adults (younger than 40) to vaccinate against varicella (chicken pox) if they haven't suffered from chicken pox yet.

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Re: Chicken pox vaccine for infants

Just a point of clarification; you cannot "catch" shingles from someone who has chicken pox. Shingles is caused by the reactivation of the Varicella virus, which has been lying dorment in your nerve ganglia since the original chicken pox episode. This does not exclude that the original infection may have been subclinical however.
As I understand, the vaccine may be recommended for the elderly to prevent severe shingles episodes. It would probably also be advisable for adults to be vaccinated, if they hadn't had chicken pox in their childhood; as Sbrinz said, adult chicken pox is a really nasty disease.
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine for infants

In 2009 my exhusband, his son and me were traveling to mexico and they recommended his son to get the vaccine. He was 5 at the time and IIRC next one will be when he is 15. As easy as that.

Reasons were because we were going to a different country and his immune system is not used to that, the varisela could be worse in his case.

As my kids have been born and raised in switzerland, I havent, nor intend to vaccine them against it. I wouldnt attend a varisela party, but I would let nature follow its course until they are 15, then I would vaccine.
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine for infants

We saw our pediatrician about vaccinating chickenpox for our children. She said the vaccine is available, but she would not advice it for children as chickenpox is not dangerous for children, and the effects of the vaccine is only limited. She recommends the vaccine for adults who have not yet caught chickenpox.
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We saw our pediatrician about vaccinating chickenpox for our children. She said the vaccine is available, but she would not advice it for children as chickenpox is not dangerous for children, and the effects of the vaccine is only limited. She recommends the vaccine for adults who have not yet caught chickenpox.
The vaccination against varicella is very effective. In addition, getting vaccinations is always not only about protecting the vaccinated but also to protect other people, for example pregnant women in the case of chicken pox. It's sad that most average and below average medical students seem to become either pediatrician or general practitioners …
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine for infants

The general school of thought over here (and Europe generally) is that the chicken pox vaccine is not necessary for children. Chicken pox is usually an unpleasant but for the most part harmless disease in children (there are some rare cases where complications occur but they are rare).
It is recommended to vaccinate however if chicken pox is not contracted in childhood as it is often much more severe and dangerous when caught in adulthood.
There was a study carried out (and when I have more time later I'll try to dig up a link to it) which suggests that the increase in vaccination against chicken pox in kids in the US has led to significant increase in cases of shingles in the elderly. This has led to the development of a shingles vaccine (by Merck I think) which is of course a win win situation for the vaccine producers. It is believed that immunity to chicken pox is continuosly topped up over the years by exposure to kids who have the disease. The extensive vaccination programme has all but erradicated the disease in the US which means that this exposure no longer exists and so the immune response diminishes over the years.
Since shingles can't actually be caught but is a result of the varicella zoster virus lying dormant in the body for years after the initial chicken pox infection, it is widely thought that inadequacies in a person's immune system are the trigger in later life.

If I were the Op I would hold off on vaccinating my child until they are much older as it is highly likely that they will catch it in the meantime if they are living in Switzerland. I they haven't caught it before the reach puberty I would suggest that then would be a good time to vaccinate.

You can't catch shingles from somebody who has chicken pox but you can get chicken pox from somebody who has shingles if you're not already immune.
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Just a point of clarification; you cannot "catch" shingles from someone who has chicken pox. Shingles is caused by the reactivation of the Varicella virus, which has been lying dorment in your nerve ganglia since the original chicken pox episode. This does not exclude that the original infection may have been subclinical however.
As I understand, the vaccine may be recommended for the elderly to prevent severe shingles episodes. It would probably also be advisable for adults to be vaccinated, if they hadn't had chicken pox in their childhood; as Sbrinz said, adult chicken pox is a really nasty disease.

I had chicken pox at around 6 months old, 2 spots my mother told me. As a young teenager I had Shingles - our doctor did say it was unusual, more likely to happen to older person.
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I find it very irresponsible here to allow infected children in public areas.

I was in a coma for 2 days, aged 30, with chicken pox, which I caught from my children.

My friend aged 64 nearly died in Solothurn hospital, she had shingles, brought on by contact with the chicken pox virus.

So yes, I would definitely recommend vaccinations, it is a dangerous illness.
But she must have been previously infected by the chicken pox virus at an earlier age for her to have contracted shingles (even if she didn't display the classic chicken pox symptoms at the time)

Contact with the chicken pox virus at that age if she was infected by it for the first time would cause chicken pox and not shingles.
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I had chicken pox at around 6 months old, 2 spots my mother told me. As a young teenager I had Shingles - our doctor did say it was unusual, more likely to happen to older person.
My first Shingles episode occured in my early 20s and it was a nasty one. It broke out on my forehead close to my eye, I felt like shite and was vomiting. I had to be hospitalised, in isolation in the infectious diseases unit on IV Acyclovir.
I've had it maybe 4 or 5 times since, always in the same place, but not as severe, and often after getting sunburn.
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Re: Chicken pox vaccine for infants

Why not get the vaccine? I understand that chicken pox is mild in young children, but why even have them deal with that (which often isn't that "mild")? With Murphy's law and all, they're likely to get it just before the first day of kindergarten, the day before your long flight for summer holidays, etc. Eliminate the risk and save your child some pain and suffering...
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The vaccination against varicella is very effective. In addition, getting vaccinations is always not only about protecting the vaccinated but also to protect other people, for example pregnant women in the case of chicken pox. It's sad that most average and below average medical students seem to become either pediatrician or general practitioners …
It was not effective on our 3 year old son, who had his varicella vaccination in Australia before he was 2 years old. He still got the chickenpox here right before Christmas, before passing it onto his sister and me.
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Why not get the vaccine? I understand that chicken pox is mild in young children, but why even have them deal with that (which often isn't that "mild")? With Murphy's law and all, they're likely to get it just before the first day of kindergarten, the day before your long flight for summer holidays, etc. Eliminate the risk and save your child some pain and suffering...
Just to prove that YMMV with paediatricians, ours recommended the vaccine for our baby for exactly the reasons above -- she argued that for every 'mild' case of chicken pox, there can be a severe case with hundreds of spots. Yes, it's not life-threatening, but it means a miserable week for the little one, plus a week off work for a parent.

We are big believers in vaccination, so for us it was a no-brainer.

We were also recommended the rotavirus vaccine.
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It was not effective on our 3 year old son, who had his varicella vaccination in Australia before he was 2 years old. He still got the chickenpox here right before Christmas, before passing it onto his sister and me.
The chicken pox vaccine is actually one of the vaccines with the highest failure rates so this doesn't really surprise me.
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The chicken pox vaccine is actually one of the vaccines with the highest failure rates so this doesn't really surprise me.
Too bad. I got vaccinated recently not to become infected, if my daughter brings this virus home during my next pregnancy. I hope that the vaccine worked in my case.

But probably it is possible to do a blood analysis to check if the one has antibodies after vaccination?
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