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Kindergarten age in canton Zurich and Thurgau

Hello,

I have a question regarding the Kindergarten age.

My daughter was born in June and will be 2 this year (yes I know children are going to Kindergarten here were they are 4) which means that in Schaffhausen she would need to wait another year to go to the Kindergarten because here the limit is end of May so I'm looking for the place to move where she would not need to wait 1 year to join Kindergarten.

I was thinking about Zurich canton, gemeinde Andelfingen and Winterthur. Do you know until which month in those two places baby can be born to go to the Kindergarten when she will be 4?
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Hello,

I have a question regarding the Kindergarten age.

My daughter was born in June and will be 2 this year (yes I know children are going to Kindergarten here were they are 4) which means that in Schaffhausen she would need to wait another year to go to the Kindergarten because here the limit is end of May so I'm looking for the place to move where she would not need to wait 1 year to join Kindergarten.

I was thinking about Zurich canton, gemeinde Andelfingen and Winterthur. Do you know until which month in those two places baby can be born to go to the Kindergarten when she will be 4?
Are you planning to move and you want to find a place where kindergarten starts earlier? Or are you moving just so she can go to Kindergarten in 2 years?

Here in Canton St. Gallen the cutoff date is 31 July. I think you can petition to get your child to start early if the birthdate isn't too far off, but of course, there are no guarantees. Is that not possible in Schaffhausen? Seems easier than moving... I don't remember when the cutoff is in Canton Zurich - I am sure there will be others on to answer this question...
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Re: Kindergarten age in canton Zurich and Thurgau

In Zurich the cut off is the 30th April, again you can request to go early if you think your child is mature enough. As I understand it the child then spends a week in Kindergarten to be assessed by the teacher to see if they agree with you. I know of people where the children have gone early and those who have been told to wait a year.
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Re: Kindergarten age in canton Zurich and Thurgau

Well I didn't know about the possibility to go earlier but as the example above show it's not my decision to keep my baby in the kindergarten even if I think she is mature enough. the risk is high that the teacher will say is not at the moment and we will need to wait one year.

Does anyone know how it looks like in canton Thurgau?

Does this start date is defined on the cantonal or gemeinde level?

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Does this start date is defined on the cantonal or gemeinde level?
As I understand it is canton level. Keep in mind, the new school harmonisation law, HARMOS, is starting to be implemented in some cantons, others will follow in the coming years. This will make it easier in that the school age and cut off dates (4 years, 31 July) will be the same for all cantons implementing HARMOS.
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Re: Kindergarten age in canton Zurich and Thurgau

Do you know which cantons will implement this law? Where I can follow up on this?

I have found this page on wiki: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/HarmoS-Konkordat

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Do you know which cantons will implement this law? Where I can follow up on this?
Here is the official site http://www.edk.ch/dyn/11737.php

And here is the page with those that have signed and their date of signing

http://www.edudoc.ch/static/web/arbe...ste_rat_df.pdf

Generally they have 6 years to entry into force, the website indicates that most will be by 2015/16, although where I am, VD, it already entered into force.
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Re: Kindergarten age in canton Zurich and Thurgau

Form the list it looks like Schaffhausen will have it implemented this year and Zurich next year.
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Re: Kindergarten age in canton Zurich and Thurgau

Zurich will start implementation next year, meaning that each year the cut off date will be pushed back by 15 days.

So will be 15th of May for entry in 2014
31st of May for 2015 etc

For kids born within 3 months of cut off date you can request early entry provided the child meets the criteria. If so, then they will have an "assesement" and then the teacher could still say it is not working within the first month of starting.

If you google kindergarten stadt zurich you will find the above infos.

However, the general consensus here seems to be that older is better than younger given how KG is managed and the challenges the kids face.
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For kids born within 3 months of cut off date you can request early entry provided the child meets the criteria. If so, then they will have an "assesement" and then the teacher could still say it is not working within the first month of starting.
I understand that HarmoS does away with this flexible window concept. It might be implemented during an interim, but then it disappears.
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Re: Kindergarten age in canton Zurich and Thurgau

I think my daughter should be fine as she will be 4 in 2015 and she was born 14 of June - so let say if they will do the assessment of her ability to join Kindergarten earlier she should be OK.
2 weeks shouldn't be a problem, should it?
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I'm looking for the place to move where she would not need to wait 1 year to join Kindergarten.
Ticino.

There is no cutoff date here, you start the day you turn 3.

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2 weeks shouldn't be a problem, should it?
It's quite difficult to jump through the hoops - even kids who fit the age profile are often recommended to do a third year of Kindergarten before moving to primary school.

If you do decide to go down this path, be aware that it's not just the first year that she will be the 'baby' amongst her peers. It will be every single year, and every single year the teachers will look at her and go 'is she really mature/big/smart/strong enough to get through this year ?

Personally, I'd advocate doing a year in a good quality private preschool/kindergarten if you are so desperate on getting a 'head start' in school - she should then thrive in the local Kindergarten and not have to be the 'baby'...

I've seen plenty of research to show that kids who are older in their peer group have advantages, but little to show that kids who are the youngest are at any advantage in the long-term...
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Re: Kindergarten age in canton Zurich and Thurgau

I agree about waiting. My daughter is the youngest in her class (birthday February), and while she is doing fine so far, there are some kids who are almost a year older than her in the same class. Friends of mine who decided to jump through the hoops and go for early entry regret it now that their kids are older (10 - 12), and not really because of academic difficulties.

Where your child is (age-wise) within the class is actually quite a hot topic of conversation. There can be a world of difference between kids who are nine months apart in age that might not manifest itself until later.




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It's quite difficult to jump through the hoops - even kids who fit the age profile are often recommended to do a third year of Kindergarten before moving to primary school.

If you do decide to go down this path, be aware that it's not just the first year that she will be the 'baby' amongst her peers. It will be every single year, and every single year the teachers will look at her and go 'is she really mature/big/smart/strong enough to get through this year ?

Personally, I'd advocate doing a year in a good quality private preschool/kindergarten if you are so desperate on getting a 'head start' in school - she should then thrive in the local Kindergarten and not have to be the 'baby'...

I've seen plenty of research to show that kids who are older in their peer group have advantages, but little to show that kids who are the youngest are at any advantage in the long-term...
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Re: Kindergarten age in canton Zurich and Thurgau

Why the hurry to get into kindergarten? Your child will spend 15 or more years in formal education. Enjoy the time you have with your daughter - they grow up more quickly than you think.

FWIW my son is a 3rd May birthday so missed the cut off date by 3 days. We decided to wait a year with kindergarten. Meanwhile he has been going to a weekly "Kleuterschool" class for Dutch speaking kids and was also going to a Krippe. He started Kindergarten last August as one of the oldest in the class - which we think has been a big advantage as he is doing well.

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Re: Kindergarten age in canton Zurich and Thurgau

In canton Zurich the child has to be 4 by April 30th to enter the Kindergarten at the start of a new school year in August. So your daughter would miss the cut-off date for 2015 and wouldn't be eligible to start until August 2016.
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Re: Kindergarten age in canton Zurich and Thurgau

Yes that would be the case if Harmos wouldn't be implemented. Following the kri post in 2015 Zurich will have cut off date on 30th of May.

I haven't consider the age topic. Thanks for pointing me this.
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If you do decide to go down this path, be aware that it's not just the first year that she will be the 'baby' amongst her peers. It will be every single year, and every single year the teachers will look at her and go 'is she really mature/big/smart/strong enough to get through this year ?

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This is a good point. Our eldest went in early. He's now in primary school and although he's fine academically and with sport etc, he lacks the maturity to deal with some of the bullying that goes on (both mentally and physically).

Children can get put back a year or two if they're not doing too well so there can be (and is in my son's case), a difference of three years in ages of children in the same class.
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In canton Zurich the child has to be 4 by April 30th to enter the Kindergarten at the start of a new school year in August. So your daughter would miss the cut-off date for 2015 and wouldn't be eligible to start until August 2016.

The date cut off will no longer be in April as of next year, as per my previous post.

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http://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/content/.../eintritt.html

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Re: Kindergarten age in canton Zurich and Thurgau

Sorry for the incorrect info. In my post, I didn't know there had been a shift of a month. I gave the info. that was the case when my daughter started Kindergarten in 2010 within canton Zurich.
I guess the new date could make a difference to the original poster, as her daughter still misses the cut-off but by less.
It would be much easier if it was a standard date throughout Switzerland, as we are now in canton Zug and the cut-off is the end of February (unless that has changed too!)
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