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recommendation dermatologist : baby eczema

Hi Guys,
Im at my wits end with baby eczema on my 11month old. Its pretty chronic. I have followed all the recommended steps, the creams, the scratch sleeves, the sea water, limited diet (exclusion of trigger foods) and its progressively worse.

Can anyone recommend a dermatologist to me ?
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Re: recommendation dermatologist : baby eczema

What milk are they drinking ?

I would ask the Paediatrician to recommend an allergy specialist. Eczema is an allergy response.
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Re: recommendation dermatologist : baby eczema

Thanks for answering sweetpea.

She was breastfed (until 3months), then she went on aptimal, Im now phasing her off aptimal and onto lactose free milk but see no difference so far (that said she is still about 30% on aptimal - Ill wait another week or so before phasing that 30% out). The eczema showed up at 6.5 months so I dont really relate it milk explicitly.

I asked my peaditrician to recommend an allergy specialist but he said that at this age results will be inaccurate - she will show up allergic to everything and a week later allergic to nothing and a week later allergic to a couple of things. That at this young age an allergy panel does not make sense. He also said that she not necessarily allergic to anything (as an eczema sufferer) but would have "triggers", which would not necessarily show on an allergy panel.

I have taken her off (or just not introduced yet in some cases) seed based fruits (kiwis, strawberries, tomatoes, bananas), egg, no milk products (other than the aptimal which is being phased out), no dairy, no gluten. However I havent seen a direct trigger/reaction relationship to any of the above if we lapse. We have re-homed our family pet, I have changed her bodies and sheets to special ones for eczema suffers, I have used Aveeno, Ecipial, Dermalex, Salcura, La Roche Posay (bad reaction to this) creams, she wears a special bolero to stop scratching in bed. I use special washing powder and do a second pure rince, when we bath her we only use aalgo and make sure the water is body temp. The eczema if anything is only getting worse and is everywhere. Neither my husband or I suffer from eczema or know of a family history here. Sometimes her stomach looks like she has been burnt. Oddly she doesnt seem to experience much discomfort yet other than wanting to scratch but Im very worried about it.


When Im back at hte paeditrician later this month Ill get him to recommend a dermatologist but I was hoping someone on the forum might have been through similiar and have a positive recommendation.

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Re: recommendation dermatologist : baby eczema

My daughter had terrible eczema. I don't know if you are aware, but eczema is a pre cursor to asthma. My daughter ended up getting a bad asthma. She had no allergies, but is sensitive to soap. The most important thing for the eczema is to keep the skin dry, and very well miosurized. She uses a lotion and shower gel that have aloe, that really help. (by Crabtree & Evelyn) If her skin is moisturized she is not itchy. Before we knew that, she used to scratch herself raw. As a baby, I had to make sure her skin around her mouth was dry, so no pacifier.You have to stay on top of it, there is no cure. Sometimes as they get older they get tougher skin. My daughter is 18 yrs old, and still has very fair, very sensitive skin. She'll have it for life.
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Re: recommendation dermatologist : baby eczema

Lactose free milk isn't likely to make any difference. Lactose overload or intolerance causes stomach upset, but not skin rashes. Skin rashes are more likely protein allergies. The most common ones are:

cow's milk protein (not lactose, lactose is milk sugar)
soy protein
egg protein
fish / seafood protein
nut protein

The two worst cases of eczema in babies that I have actually seen in person, were head-to-toe eczema, and both were reaction to formula. One I didn't see the follow-up, but the other one, the mum spoke to the paediatrician and they changed the baby formula and the difference was substantial, from around 95% skin rash, to about 10%. He was still really sensitive to lots of things, but it was a phenomenal improvement. I can't really recommend swapping to soy formula, because soy is also a common allergy, but there are more options in terms of 'pre digested' formulas where the proteins are broken down further.

The other baby was a breastfed baby, and the mum had to go dairy-free for the entire breastfeeding time.... for both of her children...her babies skin flared within 4 days of birth...
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Re: recommendation dermatologist : baby eczema

My younger daughter scratched herself raw from eczema-concentrated on her hands, arms and face. Especially bad are her wrists, the back of her hands, and her ankles, for reasons unknown. I also have it, and so does my mother. As my daughter got older (she's nearly three), she has improved, though she has needed occasional topical cortisone treatment and we needed to adjust her skincare regimen (vaseline is gross, but worked wonders for her-she is allergic to linola fett and anything else with perfumes). None of us have asthma, however, so don't panic just yet.

I do agree that open skin is very prone to secondary infections (ours got ringworm, called Pilz (mushroom) here quite often), but my daughter has no food allergies (that we've found). We used vaseline, no soap in the bath (that's fun once they're eating solid food), short baths with cool water, liberal application of exipical (it's a lotion often recommended by doctors, the really thick one) or vaseline after the bath, and cortisone as needed. Improvements took about three days and anything with perfume on the skin (sunscreen, linola fett) made things worse immediately.
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Re: recommendation dermatologist : baby eczema

Glad to see I'm not the only one suffering from eczema but I definitely feel bad for the ones that have it especially those little children. I never had so much skin issues until I moved here from Kentucky in the usa 4 years ago. It all started when I got a sunburn at a friends wedding and ever since then skin problem everywhere. Now I eczema on both of my hands and everytime I go outside it sees to get so much worse. I am currently seeing a skin specialist in Winterthur but no matter what cream I use It really seems not to help. I seen the doctor yesterday and the next time I go he wants to try me on some very powerful eczema pills that you have to extremely careful to not get pregnant while using them. I always thought my eczema was due to climate change but if it was the problem I really don't know if there's anything I could really do to fix this. But the purpose of this thread is directed toward the child, which is more important. So I will absolutely try to search around to see if there is any dermatologist around your area irish marmot.
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Re: recommendation dermatologist : baby eczema

Sounds crazy, and my son's eczema wasn't as bad as described here, but we found a very very diluted bleach bath worked very well in reducing the flare ups. Maybe 1 cup in a big bathtub full of warmish water for at least 15 mins. And coconut oil afterwards. He had pretty much outgrown it until we moved here and it is back not half as bad as before.
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Re: recommendation dermatologist : baby eczema

Hello, we use a ton of almond oil in the bathwater for our daughter and seems to work alongside the antidry cream they seem to favorise at the doctors here. The change in weather also does not seem to help their skin, good luck!
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Re: recommendation dermatologist : baby eczema

Agree with Swisspea totally on the protein not the lactose in dairy being the trigger - it is for me.

Just wondering if you had antibiotics prescribed for anything before the eczema started?

If so, you could look into systemic candida overgrowth as a possible cause. Eczema is a common symptom, as are food intolerances.

Just on the off-chance that fits, I found this guy useful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Kk7eKWTdVQ

As mentioned, coconut oil is great - it's both anti-bacterial and anti-fungal. Fantastic for both inside and out.

I find this stuff really good and soothing - they do oils as well:

http://www.purepotions.co.uk/products/skin-salvation
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Re: recommendation dermatologist : baby eczema

Hi,

as a sufferer of eczema myself I can suggest a few steps.

1. Doctors will help in the critical period, but a long term regime with much attention to everything is needed.
2. Eczema is not necessary of allergic origin, I have made all sort of tests and have never resulted allergic.
3. Eczema get worse the more the natural lipidic layer that protects the skin is removed. Liquid soaps and expecially the wipes (including ultra sensitive ones) are very aggressive in removing the layer and worsening the rush. Wash your child with a natural sponge, lukewarm water and an oily lotion.
4. Use only 100% cotton clothing in white, dark colors in particular can worsen the eczema
5. Use lot of moisturizing lotion, more than once a day

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Re: recommendation dermatologist : baby eczema

Try "Dream Cream" from Lush (google it)
Worked for my nephew.
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My daughter had terrible eczema. I don't know if you are aware, but eczema is a pre cursor to asthma. My daughter ended up getting a bad asthma. She had no allergies, but is sensitive to soap.
As an infant I had terrible eczema, but I do not have asthma. From what I was told, the doctor at the time said to avoid all contact with water, and oils and lotions were recommended. I was completely cured.
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Re: recommendation dermatologist : baby eczema

I would suggest that you contact your pediatrician as soon as possible, (don't wait for the already scheduled appointment) and request an immediate referral to a Dermatology Clinic.
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Re: recommendation dermatologist : baby eczema

My daughter had bad eczema from a month after she stopped breastfeeding, until 2 years later when we managed to eliminate all the triggers (mostly food).

I would definitely not bath a child with eczema daily... maybe every third day at most. In between, normal handwashing for hygiene, no baby wipes (too many chemicals involved), and using a soapless soap product, oil or something that is nourishing to the skin (but we had a lot of trouble finding creams that made it better not worse).

If the baby is on formula milk, because of my experience, I would definitely talk to the Paediatrician about changing brands, and checking for a milk allergy. A friend of mine's children started getting eczema at 4 days old, and they were fully breastfed, and she had to go completely dairy-free for the entire breastfeeding time, which she did for over a year, because she knew that if she didn't breastfeed, it would be hard to find a milk substitute that was adequate.

I also agree with antibiotics as a trigger. I've seen it also where the mum was given antibiotics during labour or afterwards, and where the baby had antibiotics themselves (my daughter had her first antibiotics at 4 months due to a persistent skin infection in her umbilical area, nappy area, neck and ears, which was present after the birth)...

Elimination diets are extremely hard to formulate and stick to - they aren't supposed to be long-term, and I'd be worried about restricting the baby's diet heavily if it isn't making an improvement.

One resource I can recommend is an Australian woman who has a book called 'Fed Up' (with food additives) - Sue Dengate. She uses a hospital-devised elimination diet (she's considered fairly mainstream in Australia) - and gives some very clear strategies on how to do the elimination diet and re-introduce foods again.

The website is here: http://fedup.com.au/

Maybe it gives you some ideas that you could try ?
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Re: recommendation dermatologist : baby eczema

In our case Eczema condition is not an "allergy response"
2 of my daughters have eczema and we did all the test for food allergies.
All negative.
This summer we left UK for 2 months and spent time in Macedonia and Greece. After 3 days we didn't realized that we stooped with the Oilatum and steroid cream treatment. Kids skin was OK for 60 day (no treatment at all).
After flying back in UK, after the next bath their skin went back to the old eczema reddish skin and the treatment stated again (creams applied every day).
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Re: recommendation dermatologist : baby eczema

I had bad eczema as a baby/kid, and if course the Troll inherited my skin type. In our case, it's not triggered by food or allergy, but heat/sweat makes it worse.

Since follow up for that kind of problem wasn't very good where we used to live, we've used trial and error until we got here. Here's what worked and didn't work for us:
- clothing made of natural fibre such as cotton, silk, bamboo and even very soft wool worked. But even today he gets rashes if he wear anything synthetic like polyester. The worse we know of is fleece, he starts swaeting after a few minutes and the itch follows shortly. Even a polyester filled duvet could be enough to start a rash.
- as little clothing as possible in order to avoid sweating. I know, it's against our maternal instinct. On the positive side, he's pretty sturdy now and was able to figure out how much clothes he really needed at an early age.
- a good indoor climate. Not too hot, not too dry, not too humid. Easier said than done.
- no daily baths. In Norway they recommend as few baths as possible for babies and only with water and some oil if necessary. I felt a bath every 2-3 days was enough, but I used a mild organic babysoap.
- his skin doesn't tolerate mineral oils at all. Which is what most hypoallergenic brands use. He only tolerates vegetable based. On the other hand, he tolerates essential oils/scents. So we keep to organic skincare. Sheabutter works very well on him.
- hydrate the affected parts twice a day. His doctor has given us cortison cream to use if a rash gets very bad.
- we have problems with most traditionnal sunscreen (I know, not exactly the season right now). After a few days he gets a rash behind his joints. We've tried them all, his pediatrician says it may be that his skin cannot breath due to the waterproofin agents in the cream. No clue. So we keep the use of high factor conventionnal sunscreen to a minimum (i.e. When at the beach) and use organic factor 25 otherwise.

He's 6,5 years old now. His skin was at its worse between 1-2,5 years old, then it got slowly better. After he turned 4, the eczema only appeared as a result if high heat/sweating and it's getting much better for every year thats passes. We have a prescription for 2 allergy medecines that we can use in case if relapse, as well as cortison cream, otherwise it's all good. He's been tested for allergies two years ago, the tests came back negative.

If you don't mind the drive/train, I can recommend our pediatrician. Her name in Christina Weber, she's at Tiefenbrunnen in Zürich Seefeld. She's an allergy specialist in additiona to a pediatrician, her English is excellent, and she shares the practice with another pediatrician, so it's not too difficult to get an appointment.
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In our case Eczema condition is not an "allergy response"
2 of my daughters have eczema and we did all the test for food allergies.
All negative.
Household Chemicals, wool, acrylics, perfumes, preservatives, washing powder, cigarette smoke, chemicals in the carpet, or a huge range of food allergies that are not tested... my daughter had skin testing at age 12 and the added glue, liquid paper, nail polish remover, preservatives, sodium lauryl sulphate and sodium laureth sulfate to her list. She can't use normal toothpaste (reacted badly to Elmex in particular)... the list goes on.

I stick by my understanding that Eczema is an allergic response. You just haven't discovered the trigger yet. It is the body's way of trying to expel or 'peel off' the allergen from the skin...

In english, they call it 'Atopic disease'...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atopy
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Oh, add to that animal dander, pollens and outdoor, breathed in chemicals like air pollution ... and dust mite... I am shockingly allergic to dust mite...
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Re: recommendation dermatologist : baby eczema

We hope our move to Switzerland will not make eczema worst. This made me search the forum in case a move to Switzerland triggered somebodies eczema.

We fight eczema for 4 and half years. We are lucky not to have super bad eczema. But still, sleepless night, itch, scratching...
No more doctor appointments. A friend of ours, a doctor whose 2 boys had super scary eczema said to us: you cannot stop eczema with medication / creams. Boys had healthy skin only on their nose and bum, the rest of the body was scary she told us. . She barely sleep for 5 years, if she fell asleep they will scratch so badly and then is another problem. Her advice was; you only make the condition "bearable" and in time might go away. In her case, after 5 years eczema completely disappeared and her sons skin is ok now days.
For us spending 2 months on sandy beaches was definitely a natural cure - Our GP told us; Move to Greece!
As a parent you will google and read and buy every possible cream in the world. We tried them almost all.

After waiting 7 month for an appointment for a skin specialist in Southampton, a well-respected professor in the field, things changed for better after we meet the doctor. We went on this appointment with a bag full of creams given to us from the GP. The doctor told us to discard all the other products (including the steroids) and told us for our oldest 4 1/2 year daughter to use only the products in photograph. Things improved drastically. We use there 4 products 7-8 months now. Much better results.

PLEASE NOTE: Our youngest daughter cannot have the 2 creams in the middle because she is not 2 years yet. Always read the label!
I understand some creams will work on some kids and some not. For us, this was a change for a better night sleep.
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