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Re: Flu shots?

Never had any kind of reaction. Having mine done next week,, and OH too.
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Flu shots?

I had my flu shot 28.09, absolutely no reaction this year. Some years I get a small reaction. No problems, just really happy to be back from the U.S.
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Re: Flu shots?

I had a pretty sore spot on my arm a few years ago from the flu shot.

The next winter, when swine flu was going around, I was in my first trimester of pregnancy and very grateful to everyone who was close to me and who got the shot (since the swine flu vaccine was not recommended for pregnant women that year-this would be 2009).

I also do it because I feel that it's important to protect others, like my parents-in-law, who are older. I work on a University campus, so I come in contact with a lot of people, eat in a cafeteria, etc.

In the study cited by Ramtin[e], it's also important to note that the study was done because that outbreak was an outlier. Also, the population was only about 100 people, with an infection rate of 25% in an environment that is highly conducive to transmission (all the sailors were living and working on a ship). So, worth noting, but not a reason to avoid flu shots.
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Re: Flu shots?

Kiddies and I get the flu jab every year, with no secondary effect.

My eldest got the flu when he was 6 months old: one week with fever over 40 and impossible to lower even with meds.

Granted we are healthy enough to survive a winter flu, but if I can avoid 3 weeks of hell (me and the kids who contaminate each other), I'm happy to do it.

Plus my baby is still too young for his jab, and if I'm vaccinated I can transfer him some immunity through my milk.
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Kiddies and I get the flu jab every year, with no secondary effect.
I am seriously jealous of everyone that can get vaccine without secondary effects.

DPT booster, fever of 39
Three shots of Gardasil, fever of 39 each time.
Three shots of TBE, fever of 39 each time.
Three flu shot vaccines in the last 5 years, 39°C fever EACH TIME!

Everytime I mention it to the doctor, she makes a note, then says it's unusual and moves on like it's no big deal.

To those not getting sick from vaccines, why aren't you getting every single vaccine you can get?
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Re: Flu shots?

Hmmm, I should ask my doctor about dpt, I've not had a booster in a while. The other one I'm curious about is pneumonia, though my doctor told me to wait because a new formulation was due out in a few years (that was 3 years ago).

I guess 60 is the age for that.

I'm waaaaay too old for gardasil.
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I am seriously jealous of everyone that can get vaccine without secondary effects.

DPT booster, fever of 39
Three shots of Gardasil, fever of 39 each time.
Three shots of TBE, fever of 39 each time.
Three flu shot vaccines in the last 5 years, 39°C fever EACH TIME!

Everytime I mention it to the doctor, she makes a note, then says it's unusual and moves on like it's no big deal.

To those not getting sick from vaccines, why aren't you getting every single vaccine you can get?
Be thankful your immune system is reacting so effectively.
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I had my flu shot 28.09, absolutely no reaction this year. Some years I get a small reaction. No problems, just really happy to be back from the U.S.
My mom gets the flu shot every year, she has never had reactions to vaccines.
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The only time I got the flu in the past 10 years was the only season I got vaccinated. Go figure.


Some key facts about vaccine:

- Very few Swiss get vaccinated. Decreasing trend
- AFAIK vaccination (any vaccine) is not mandatory in most Swiss cantons
- In France, the number of people who get vaccinated is in free fall
- It's recommended to get the flu shot if you are 65 or older or if you have a chronic medical condition
- Flu vaccine is nowhere near 100% effective (effectiveness: less than 70%):

Influenza Outbreak in a Vaccinated Population — USS Ardent, February 2014

In Feb 2014, there was an outbreak of influenza-like illness among American sailors despite the fact that 99% of American servicemen had gotten the flu shot.
You were unlucky, go figure

Figures/references to back up your Swiss and France vaccine rates please, otherwise they're not "facts".
No vaccine is 100% effective and and none claim to be. Flu is even lower as the seasonal vaccine is always a "best estimate" for the most likely expected strain for the forthcoming season (as I explained in earlier). It won't protect you agaisnt a strain not indluded in the season's trivalent vaccine.
The isolate from the USS Ardent outbreak was similar, but not identical, to that season's H3N2 vstrain included in the vaccine; it can happen as explained above.
All in all, the benefits of any vaccine vastly outweigh any possible negative side effects.
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Re: Flu shots?

I'll be the voice that questions why you all feel that flu jabs are worth anything more than giving your doctors a license to print money.

Why can't you look after yourselves and let your body's immune system handle life as it happens rather than poisoning yourselves?

Eat healthy, live healthy, wash your hands after you've been in public areas and prepare food and drinks in a clean environment and you'll be good to go. Drink enough fluids during the cold months even when you don't feel thirsty and keep your circulation active, so if you work in an office and are forced to sit down, get up as frequently as you can and keep yourselves flexible.
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Why can't you look after yourselves and let your body's immune system handle life as it happens rather than poisoning yourselves?

Eat healthy, live healthy, wash your hands after you've been in public areas and prepare food and drinks in a clean environment and you'll be good to go. Drink enough fluids during the cold months even when you don't feel thirsty and keep your circulation active, so if you work in an office and are forced to sit down, get up as frequently as you can and keep yourselves flexible.
Woo-mongering bullshit.
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In the study cited by Ramtin[e], it's also important to note that the study was done because that outbreak was an outlier. Also, the population was only about 100 people, with an infection rate of 25% in an environment that is highly conducive to transmission (all the sailors were living and working on a ship). So, worth noting, but not a reason to avoid flu shots.
Alright, you have convinced me!

I'll get my flu shot tomorrow afternoon
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Woo-mongering bullshit.
Enjoy being a sheep and pretending that others should be responsible for your health.
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Enjoy being a sheep and pretending that others should be responsible for your health.
Aha, the good-old "sheep/sheeple" retort. Is there an anti-vaccine equivalent of Godwin's Law?

OK, quote me a case-controlled, peer-reviewed study that demonstrates that "drinking plenty" can prevent influenza.
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You were unlucky, go figure

Figures/references to back up your Swiss and France vaccine rates please, otherwise they're not "facts".
No vaccine is 100% effective and and none claim to be. Flu is even lower as the seasonal vaccine is always a "best estimate" for the most likely expected strain for the forthcoming season (as I explained in earlier). It won't protect you agaisnt a strain not indluded in the season's trivalent vaccine.
The isolate from the USS Ardent outbreak was similar, but not identical, to that season's H3N2 vstrain included in the vaccine; it can happen as explained above.
All in all, the benefits of any vaccine vastly outweigh any possible negative side effects.
Based on what I read here, I guess it's worth getting the yearly flu shot.

So far I have never had allergies or adverse reactions to medications...
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I'll be the voice that questions why you all feel that flu jabs are worth anything more than giving your doctors a license to print money.

Why can't you look after yourselves and let your body's immune system handle life as it happens rather than poisoning yourselves?

Eat healthy, live healthy, wash your hands after you've been in public areas and prepare food and drinks in a clean environment and you'll be good to go. Drink enough fluids during the cold months even when you don't feel thirsty and keep your circulation active, so if you work in an office and are forced to sit down, get up as frequently as you can and keep yourselves flexible.
Because some of us take immune-suppressants to stay alive or have an illness that causes immune suppression?

Yes, the flu vaccine is only 65% effective in the immunocompromised group, but 65% is better than 0%. And yes, the flu produces better immune protection than the vaccine, but sometimes it's about staying alive.
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And yes, the flu produces better immune protection than the vaccine, but sometimes it's about staying alive.
Debatable; catching flu this year might not necessarily protect you against flu next year.
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Aha, the good-old "sheep/sheeple" retort. Is there an anti-vaccine equivalent of Godwin's Law?

OK, quote me a case-controlled, peer-reviewed study that demonstrates that "drinking plenty" can prevent influenza.
There are bunch of germs and bacteria that can cause you to be sick, influenza is only one of many. With a healthy immune system your body can handle most viruses without drugs. I doubt many can define the symptoms between a nasal cold, flu or the dreaded "man flu".

I'd suggest that we are most susceptible to get laid out flat when we get a bug that crops up when the body is already stressed either through poor diet, not enough sleep or exercise, ie. poor self maintenance. At that point, the body is warning you to slow up and take better care, not to start a course of vaccinations.

Most of the posters on here are hardly using earth-shattering data to back up their reasons to get inoculated.

Each to their own, I know what works for me. Haven't ever had flu and don't ever plan on allowing some virus to be squirted into my body as a "health promoting solution" when there's nothing wrong with me.

Go ahead and treat the symptoms if it makes you feel better, I'll always prefer to nurture and maintain health at the source.
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There are bunch of germs and bacteria that can cause you to be sick, influenza is only one of many. With a healthy immune system your body can handle most viruses without drugs. I doubt many can define the symptoms between a nasal cold, flu or the dreaded "man flu".

I'd suggest that we are most susceptible to get laid out flat when we get a bug that crops up when the body is already stressed either through poor diet, not enough sleep or exercise, ie. poor self maintenance. At that point, the body is warning you to slow up and take better care, not to start a course of vaccinations.

Most of the posters on here are hardly using earth-shattering data to back up their reasons to get inoculated.

Each to their own, I know what works for me. Haven't ever had flu and don't ever plan on allowing some virus to be squirted into my body as a "health promoting solution" when there's nothing wrong with me.

Go ahead and treat the symptoms if it makes you feel better, I'll always prefer to nurture and maintain health at the source.
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Debatable; catching flu this year might not necessarily protect you against flu next year.
Actually, this is actually scientifically correct. it's basic infectious disease dynamics relating to how viruses mutate and how vaccines work.

If you got A flu this year, given that there are many flu viruses out there, and if the Amutated flu you would have gotten next year was close to the same one you got this year, the actually A flu you got would have conferred more protection than the vaccine that protected against A. The outlier effect is non-existent with the vaccine, while the actual flu would protect against several other theoretical mutations that may or may not exist. Of course, there are three strains in the vaccines every year and it may be that the researchers predictions were completely useless.

The same thing happens with other illnesses.

That being said, there's research suggesting that some of the influenza A viruses can affect the heart too. So you might get protection from outlying strains, but you might also tax your heart.
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