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Old 06.11.2014, 12:28
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Flu shots?

I've never had the flu, though when I was younger, had three bouts of walking pneumonia (mycoplasma) over ten years. No walking for me. But I prefer not to risk the flu either.

I can't support the conspiracy theory anti vaxing woo, so I'll have my flu shot thank you, especially since I've had chemo and rads.

I did read that this year's vax is very similar to last year's. I had sniffles, fever and a sore arm after last year's vax - wonder if I'd built up some immunity from last year.
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Old 06.11.2014, 12:40
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Re: Flu shots?

I'm booked in for my first TBE shot on Friday (waited until daughter was 6 so we could do it together, not just that I keep forgetting like a numpty) and my work is doing the flu shots on Monday.....
Should I avoid the flu shots because the TBE shot will still be wandering around talking to my immune system?
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Because some of us take immune-suppressants to stay alive or have an illness that causes immune suppression?

Yes, the flu vaccine is only 65% effective in the immunocompromised group, but 65% is better than 0%. And yes, the flu produces better immune protection than the vaccine, but sometimes it's about staying alive.
Thought the vacine is 70% effective?
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Old 06.11.2014, 14:23
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Should I avoid the flu shots because the TBE shot will still be wandering around talking to my immune system?
No, there is no evidence to suggest this is so. Your immune system is dealing with 100s of new antigens everyday; a few more won't make any difference.
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Re: Flu shots?

One of these many EF posts where I fit absolutely nowhere between 2 extremes.

In many ways I agree totally with Assassin- I really would not consider the flu shot if I was young and healthy- and neither would I give it to healthy children. Why? Most bad colds, and I've got one now- are just that, a cold- and not flu at all. So many people say they've got flu, and insist on antibiotics, etc- when they have (yes the most unpleasant and hated but ..) a cold- which will last 7 days wihout antibiotics, and 1 week with! Flu vaccinating the whole healhy population seems like madness to me- truly.

But now that I am older and have other conditions which put me more of risks to complications in case I am unfortunate enough to catch real flu- it makes sense to get it, so I will- but now have to wait for this rotten cold to be over.
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Hmmm, I should ask my doctor about dpt, I've not had a booster in a while. snipped
I have once talked to my doctor about DPT. He said that I really don't need it. Though somewhere I read it's recommended to get a shot every 10 years or so. Guess I will have to go and see my mom's GP. She has all kind of vaccines in her practice...


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I guess 60 is the age for that.

I'm waaaaay too old for gardasil.

Gardasil is mostly administered to girls aged 11 to 19 years.
HPV Vaccination despite being recommended is still underused in CH: AFAIK hardly 40% of girls and fewer than 5% of boys get the 3 shots. Romands are more open to vaccination than Deutschschweizer.
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Hmm... is this vaccine really necessary in Switzerland. Are there many people getting it?
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Old 06.11.2014, 15:12
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In many ways I agree totally with Assassin- I really would not consider the flu shot if I was young and healthy- and neither would I give it to healthy children. Why? Most bad colds, and I've got one now- are just that, a cold- and not flu at all. So many people say they've got flu, and insist on antibiotics, etc- when they have (yes the most unpleasant and hated but ..) a cold- which will last 7 days wihout antibiotics, and 1 week with! Flu vaccinating the whole healhy population seems like madness to me- truly.
Flawed logic. Unfortunately, there are those out there who, for some reason or another, are immunocompromised and the vaccine may not be as effective for them, nor would they easily combat the infection. For that reason, vaccinating the general population is a very good idea. There are no major risks associated with vaccination, so why not?
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Re: Flu shots?

Which pharma do you work for?

How do we know the long-term effect on the immune system will not have a detrimental effect? We do not live in a high risk area- so it makes no sense at all to vaccinate all routinely against flu. Very different to MMR of course.

There are other kinds of treatment we could apply the same logic too. So let's stick everyone on Statins from the age of 18, just in case, etc, etc,
Now I think statins DO have an important role to play for some people- but should be really put everyone on them just in case on day their cholesterol gets higher?
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Old 06.11.2014, 16:22
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Which pharma do you work for?

How do we know the long-term effect on the immune system will not have a detrimental effect? We do not live in a high risk area- so it makes no sense at all to vaccinate all routinely against flu. Very different to MMR of course.

There are other kinds of treatment we could apply the same logic too. So let's stick everyone on Statins from the age of 18, just in case, etc, etc,
Now I think statins DO have an important role to play for some people- but should be really put everyone on them just in case on day their cholesterol gets higher?

I'm sorry, i don't get your logic.

High cholesterol is not communicable. By putting everyone on statins you're protecting the individual. However the idea with flu vaccines is herd immunity - by making healthy people less susceptible you're reducing the chance that those people who can't get the vaccine are also protected. At the same time less healthy people for whom flu poses a significant risk are doubly protected both by their own vaccine and herd immunity.

Plus a flu shot is way cheaper than the flu.

Granted, the flu shot is somewhat probabalistic - we can only predict the next flu, but it's better than nothing. Flu can be devistating. Why is MMR any better though.

Maybe you don't live in a high risk area, but if you ride public transport, are around students, in an office, in a city, you are at risk.
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Old 06.11.2014, 16:27
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Hmm... is this vaccine really necessary in Switzerland. Are there many people getting it?
Depends on where you are and how much time you spend in long grass/woodland. My daughter needs it because of waldtag/biebers/generally running around in long grass like Laura Ingles, I probably am not as high a risk, except when I chase after her, but I think it is better if I lead by example. I only found one tick on her last year (on her ear!) but that doesn't mean she didn't have more.
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There are no major risks associated with vaccination, so why not?
Dr. Paddy is now preaching medical advice on the internet, please form a queue.

You're giving people flu with the vaccine, most of whom don't want it or will develop flu symptoms because of the jab. Now I'd call that a risk using any analogy. Dr. Paddy might also want to let the readers know why it's a really groovy idea to voluntarily inject mercury and formaldehyde into your veins and arteries because that's a part of the flu vaccine.

Now I'd call that more than a little risky.
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Hmm... is this vaccine really necessary in Switzerland. Are there many people getting it?
It is considered endemic in Switzerland.

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I have once talked to my doctor about DPT. He said that I really don't need it. Though somewhere I read it's recommended to get a shot every 10 years or so. Guess I will have to go and see my mom's GP. She has all kind of vaccines in her practice...
There is a new guideline saying a booster is only required if you have contact with rust as long as you've had one adult booster and three in total.

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Gardasil is mostly administered to girls aged 11 to 19 years.
HPV Vaccination despite being recommended is still underused in CH: AFAIK hardly 40% of girls and fewer than 5% of boys get the 3 shots. Romands are more open to vaccination than Deutschschweizer.
Switzerland is weird about sexual health. I've met people in their 30s that have never had an STD test because they think only promiscuous people get them. And it seems practically impossible for men to get tested for STDs. I had a doctor turn red and look away when I asked. My frauenarzt is judgemental when I asked for the test.

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In many ways I agree totally with Assassin- I really would not consider the flu shot if I was young and healthy- and neither would I give it to healthy children. Why? Most bad colds, and I've got one now- are just that, a cold- and not flu at all. So many people say they've got flu, and insist on antibiotics, etc- when they have (yes the most unpleasant and hated but ..) a cold- which will last 7 days wihout antibiotics, and 1 week with! Flu vaccinating the whole healhy population seems like madness to me- truly.
The flu is a virus. The cold is a retrovirus. Neither of which would benefit from antibiotics. Antibiotics are for bacterial infections, which can creep up after the flu or a cold weakens your body. Flu vaccines make sense for a variety of reasons, but ironically, the people it's meant for, is the group it works least for.
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Dr. Paddy is now preaching medical advice on the internet, please form a queue.

You're giving people flu with the vaccine, most of whom don't want it or will develop flu symptoms because of the jab. Now I'd call that a risk using any analogy. Dr. Paddy might also want to let the readers know why it's a really groovy idea to voluntarily inject mercury and formaldehyde into your veins and arteries because that's a part of the flu vaccine.

Now I'd call that more than a little risky.
Oh christ on a bike.

Do you eat salt? Do you consume pears? Do you know anything about chemistry, vaccine development, medicine or nutrition?

No? Thought not.

And for your information, I used to work on the clinical development of a flu vaccine which contained no live influenza virus, no mercury, and no formaldehyde
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And for your information, I used to work on the clinical development of a flu vaccine which contained no live influenza virus, no mercury, and no formaldehyde
As opposed to the attenuated mercury and formaldehyde-laden formulation?
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Switzerland is weird about sexual health. I've met people in their 30s that have never had an STD test because they think only promiscuous people get them. And it seems practically impossible for men to get tested for STDs. I had a doctor turn red and look away when I asked. My frauenarzt is judgemental when I asked for the test.
Strange, I have always felt the complete opposite. I can hardly walk into a doctor's surgery or clinic without some STD brochure staring at me, filled with big print and dumbed down language. I thought it must be some kind of obsession.
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I got mine free from work. Instead of the inhouse fix we are also offered a salary credit. This I believe is about 30 money, so I guess a doctor would do the honours for that kind of price.
But, my understanding is that they are quite pointless, as each year it a vaccination against an old strain of the virus, which you would be unlikely t catch this winter.

I heard that from a man down the pub. So it must be true.



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although i also have heard they can be beneficial for more vunerable members of society. whatever that means.

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I got mine free from work. Instead of the inhouse fix we are also offered a salary credit. This I believe is about 30 money, so I guess a doctor would do the honours for that kind of price.
It does cost 30chf to get it done at the doctor's and most practices have special 'flu jab days' each year. It's not reimbursable by the basic health insurance even if you fall into one of the at risk categories ( according to our GP practice anyway)

OH had his done at the GP last year as he was away when they did the free ones at work as he falls into the at risk category.
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although i also have heard they can be beneficial for more vunerable members of society. whatever that means.
The elderly, those with weakened immune systems etc. From a personal point of view, even though I fall into none of the high-risk categories, two of our good friends have been, or are still on, immunosuppressive tretments. Therefore I will get the free shot provided by work.
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I believe it is reimbursed if you have a GP plan.
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