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Old 18.01.2015, 12:17
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Re: Influenza has arrived

Well, there's this....
http://mentalfloss.com/article/50785...e-getting-cold

And this

http://www.laboratoryequipment.com/n...ceptible-colds

Basically reports on the same research. I tried to get to the original in the proceedings of the national academy of sciences, but can't. Anyway, the results suggest that in some people, being cold impacts immune systems and makes some more susceptible to rhinovirus and possibly influenza. I'd also bet that as more is understood about gut bacteria, there might be something there.

But the truth is, susceptibility is poorly understood. For me, i wash my hands, get a flu shot and am happily anti social. I've had walking pnemonia (years ago), but never the flu.
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Old 18.01.2015, 13:17
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And nothing, you asked what was wrong with them and I just wanted to say that the Swiss and the Germans are not the only ones inclined to believe in this kind of "mythology". In fact I was surprised at how many people from different countries seem to get paranoid about draughts.
I meant: and... did you catch a cold when you had been sitting in a warm draught?
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Old 18.01.2015, 14:19
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Now with the latest 'flu, what are the symptoms? Is it vomiting and diarrhea, or is this a separate disease outbreak in the Solothurn to Neuchâtel areas?
I can give you a detailed account of mine with the timeline (stop reading if you're not interested):

Wednesday morning: Woke up with a scratchy throat, thought I'd been snoring. Suddenly around 9:30 started getting aches all over and generally feeling like I was coming down with something. Sneezing during the day.

Thursday day: Thought I had a cold, typical cold symptoms. Sneezing, dry cough, general feeling unwell.

Thursday evening: Aching came back.

Friday afternoon: Full blown, very painful aching all over. Painkillers do nothing to help. Chills (wearing wool tights, slipper socks, PJs, fleece dressing gown, had 2 hot water bottles, wrapped up under 4 duvets with the heating up full and was shivering for hours - and I normally feel the eat). Head burning up but rest of my body cold to the touch.

Saturday: Dizziness and nausea - aches came back in the evening.

During the night: Cough. Oh, the cough.

Today: Head full of cold like it's being squeezed in a vice. Chesty cough with plenty of phlegm. Bit achy.

Needless to say my nose has been blocked the whole time and I've barely eaten a thing (very weird for me - even when I'm ill I normally have an appetite).

I have to go to the doc tomorrow to get a medical certificate. Think it would be better for me to stay at home but ironically I have to go outside and risk getting worse again to prove that I'm ill.
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Old 18.01.2015, 14:26
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I meant: and... did you catch a cold when you had been sitting in a warm draught?
Not that I remember...
The old(er) generations' popular health advice was in regards with draft in general (even if it's warm outside and you really feel like sitting in a draught) but especially during cold weather. Now of course they know it's not only that, but they seem to believe this makes you weaker and more predisposed to catch a virus. It's funny, my mom seems to frequently catch a cold soon after she was exposed to draft so she firmly believes now that's some truth in all that old mambo jambo.
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Old 18.01.2015, 14:37
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No, better immune system.

I get everything while my husband is never sick.
For a GI bug? No. Transmission is through contact... better hygiene... reduced chance of illness.

What you didn't pick up, though, is that because most mothers spend more time with their (sick) children, they are more likely to pick up bugs from those same children.

'Flu is another matter though.
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Old 18.01.2015, 14:57
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Re: Influenza has arrived

I once got a mildly stiff neck when sitting next to a slightly open window, with a gale blowing outside.
Doest that count as getting sick from a draught?
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Of course him never being sick leads him to believe that his advice on how to get better trumps that of everyone else. He's been telling me I should "be more active" and giving me the old wive's tale about sweating it out when I've got a fever.



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Old 18.01.2015, 15:45
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What is it with Swiss people and draughts? The Germans are the same. There seems to be some kind of national paranoia about the slightest movement of air. Is this some allemanic old wives' tale? As far as I know, there isn't a shred of medical evidence for the idea that being in a draught can make you ill.

But that being in a draught for more than 90 seconds is dangerous to your health is general wisdom
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Old 18.01.2015, 15:50
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But that being in a draught for more than 90 seconds is dangerous to your health is general wisdom
General wisdom, yes, but also a complete load of b****cks, presumably?
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Re: Influenza has arrived

Of course all those ailments are caused by bugs, be it viruses or bacteria, and you don't catch those bugs by exposition to the cold. But the general and local immune response of the organism is influenced by cold and draft, the latter causing wind chill. Inuit have special genetic features that protect them, just like they are particularly resistant against heart desease despite their very heavy animal fat diet.

The frequency of sinusitis very much depends on the weather. I could tell the weather just based on the sinusitis cases in my practice, without ever looking outside or watching a weater report. And there always is a brief peak around May, when the outside temperature allows people to drive their cars with the windows down for the first time or the year.

Moreover, although bladder infections are caused by bacteria, whenever I sit on a cold rock in spring, sure like heck the next day I get that burning feeling in the ya-know-what and have it for weeks until I cure it with an antibiotic. Worst thing is the stone bench in my baby brothers back yard.

It's absolutely reliable. Of course I do not catch any bacteria from that bench, they are in my system anyway, but in the cold they are not kept at bay as efficiently by my immune troops as they ought to be.

It's not just old wives tales, and recent research supports my observations.
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Old 18.01.2015, 17:07
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Of course all those ailments are caused by bugs, be it viruses or bacteria, and you don't catch those bugs by exposition to the cold. But the general and local immune response of the organism is influenced by cold and draft, the latter causing wind chill.

It's not just old wives tales, and recent research supports my observations.
I heard about the research which suggests that the cold virus prefers colder noses. Is there some research into the effects of draughts on viral or bacterial infection?
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Old 20.01.2015, 03:52
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Please someone give me a miracle cure for congestion in my head. I can't sleep because my face feels like it's being punched over and over. It hurts so much and I really just want to sleep. Safe to say I've really had enough of this flu now. I swear Liam Neesen style, I'm saying this to the person who infected me... I will hunt you down, and I will kill you.
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Please someone give me a miracle cure for congestion in my head. I can't sleep because my face feels like it's being punched over and over. It hurts so much and I really just want to sleep. Safe to say I've really had enough of this flu now. I swear Liam Neesen style, I'm saying this to the person who infected me... I will hunt you down, and I will kill you.
Steam may help - go into your bathroom, close the door and run all the hot taps and try to steam up the room, then remain in there and breath in.

It's a bit of a waste of energy, but it should help ...... and hopefully water heating is included in your Nebenkosten, immaterial of usage.
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Old 20.01.2015, 10:26
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I can give you a detailed account of mine with the timeline (stop reading if you're not interested):

Wednesday morning: Woke up with a scratchy throat, thought I'd been snoring. Suddenly around 9:30 started getting aches all over and generally feeling like I was coming down with something. Sneezing during the day.

Thursday day: Thought I had a cold, typical cold symptoms. Sneezing, dry cough, general feeling unwell.

Thursday evening: Aching came back.

Friday afternoon: Full blown, very painful aching all over. Painkillers do nothing to help. Chills (wearing wool tights, slipper socks, PJs, fleece dressing gown, had 2 hot water bottles, wrapped up under 4 duvets with the heating up full and was shivering for hours - and I normally feel the eat). Head burning up but rest of my body cold to the touch.

Saturday: Dizziness and nausea - aches came back in the evening.

During the night: Cough. Oh, the cough.

Today: Head full of cold like it's being squeezed in a vice. Chesty cough with plenty of phlegm. Bit achy.
Thank you for giving us the symptoms, it sounds like a nasty 'flu.

Near you, around Solothurn, there are many people suffering "Stomach upsets". This started at Christmas, and I hear of fresh victims nearly every day. I always wash my hands regularly, and avoid French kissing, & so I have been OK.
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I should think so too!
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Re: Influenza has arrived

I am better although can't sleep because of sinus inflammation leading to some rather extreme pain in one half of my face.


I also, seemingly impossibly, have not lost any weight. At all. That was to be the one advantage of having this godawful thing and nothing. I'm so done with this now, I want my life back.
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Old 20.01.2015, 10:37
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Try panadol cold and flu. Or panadol antigrippine in french. They really work for me
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Please someone give me a miracle cure for congestion in my head. I can't sleep because my face feels like it's being punched over and over. It hurts so much and I really just want to sleep. Safe to say I've really had enough of this flu now. I swear Liam Neesen style, I'm saying this to the person who infected me... I will hunt you down, and I will kill you.
A doctor gave me this tip when my daughter was ill: try and tilt the head backwards a lot, with a child raise the foot end of the bed. The slime from the nose then drains from the sinus and into the stomach, and not into the lungs.

I do this by placing pillows under my shoulders, and sleeping on my back, with my neck stretched tightly. After about 5 minutes, I can feel the slime moving away from my sinuses. I snore a lot but the night is good for me, and sometimes in the morning my nose is completely free. My partner has an excuse to sleep on the couch.

The best medicine I find is Vicks MediNait sirop (Spelling correct!) it is available here at pharmacies and costs Fr 20.10 for a 180 ml bottle (enough for about 6 nights) Expensive, but it does work! Be careful if you drive next day!

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with a child raise the foot end of the bed.
Brilliant. I had been wondering what the children were useful for. Thanks to your excellent suggestion, they are now propping up the end of my bed.
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Please someone give me a miracle cure for congestion in my head. I can't sleep because my face feels like it's being punched over and over. It hurts so much and I really just want to sleep. Safe to say I've really had enough of this flu now. I swear Liam Neesen style, I'm saying this to the person who infected me... I will hunt you down, and I will kill you.
1) get some herbs (camomile, St. John's wort (had to google how this one translates into English), eucalyptus, mint and the team, whatever you can get)
2) boil as you would boil a tea/soup
3) sit at table
4) get a rag/towel
5) cover your head above the boiled mixture
6) inhale (you'll need a bit more distance from the pot at the beginning as it is hot, adjust accordingly)
7) repeat 2-6 few times a day
8) profit

Nature+steam does help
I got some "weeds" from my grandma (use them for tea as well, stomach ache etc.), and they helped several friends/family members already.

Good luck, hope it goes away soon.

Cheers

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