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Old 14.10.2014, 14:12
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Re: Ebola - why are countries importing it ffs?

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Its very sad when the people going off to help get infected, but why do there home countries then bring them back to treat them??
Yeah, humanity is a horrible thing.
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Old 14.10.2014, 14:17
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Its very sad when the people going off to help get infected, but why do there home countries then bring them back to treat them?? there are now multiple cases of people treating them getting infected back home, USA & Spain, I don't get why the local health services are taking the risks (and failing) the risks bringing them back are just too stupidly high, why not treat them where they became infected?
The UK has declared that medical staff who chose to go out to Africa to help with Ebola treatment/containment will not automatically be flown back to the UK for treatment if they catch the disease.
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Re: Ebola - why are countries importing it ffs?

These are people who put themselves directly in harms way to save people's lives, the least we can do to thank them is give them the best medical care possible.

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The UK has declared that medical staff who chose to go out to Africa to help with Ebola treatment/containment will not automatically be flown back to the UK for treatment if they catch the disease.
That's incredibly shitty and short-sighted.
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Old 14.10.2014, 14:20
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Re: Ebola - why are countries importing it ffs?

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That'll show them fuzzy wuzzies we mean business, what!
I don't believe there are currently any Ebola cases in Sudan though there were back in 2004.

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Yeah, humanity is a horrible thing.
how about treating them where they where infected, set up a half decent ward with proper equipment etc etc rather then spending a fortune flying them over with all the disease control measures etc that's involved (and appears don't work)

or how about countries stop screwing around sending a few hundred people here, a few hundred people there telling people how to wash there hands and take a dump in the right place, and actually fix the real issues.

send tens of thousands of troops over and dig some proper sewers, pipe in some fresh water, educate them not to eat bush meat and fruit bats, problem is solved forever then.

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These are people who put themselves directly in harms way to save people's lives, the least we can do to thank them is give them the best medical care possible.



That's incredibly shitty and short-sighted.

at the price of risking a lot more peoples lives? imagine an outbreak in say london, everyone living and working on top of each other, crammed in on a train, one stray sneeze and a whole underground carriage is infected

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I'm surprised they're still allowing international flights from those countries, airports, ports, etc, should have been locked down weeks ago.
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Re: Ebola - why are countries importing it ffs?

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at the price of risking a lot more peoples lives?
Yes.
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at the price of risking a lot more peoples lives? imagine an outbreak in say london, everyone living and working on top of each other, crammed in on a train, one stray sneeze and a whole underground carriage is infected
That's not how Ebola is transmitted.

And the UK will have a case or two of Ebola, sooner rather than later. Telling brave health care volunteers who go to save lives "tough shit, you're on your own" isn't going to change that.
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Old 14.10.2014, 14:31
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Yeah, humanity is a horrible thing.
You could argue, that letting it spread around the world is also inhumane.

It is terrible that people are dying in West Africa, however letting it spread around the world so many many more people die doesn't seem like the best solution. Of course the world should help, but it should try to be contained and treated where it is. A few more people may die in West Africa like this and that's not nice, but it is better than having millions world wide die. It may sound harsh, but sometimes you need to be, villages were locked down during the plague, many people in the infected villages died, but they stopped it spreading further, in fact China locked down a village this year after a case of Plague.
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Re: Ebola - why are countries importing it ffs?

About time the over-population problem was tackled.
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You could argue, that letting it spread around the world is also inhumane.

It is terrible that people are dying in West Africa, however letting it spread around the world so many many more people die doesn't seem like the best solution. Of course the world should help, but it should try to be contained and treated where it is. A few more people may die in West Africa like this and that's not nice, but it is better than having millions world wide die. It may sound harsh, but sometimes you need to be, villages were locked down during the plague, many people in the infected villages died, but they stopped it spreading further, in fact China locked down a village this year after a case of Plague.
So we should hold ourselves to the same standard as China, or 14th century Europe?
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Re: Ebola - why are countries importing it ffs?

Ebola is a highly infectious disease and what do you do with highly infestious diseases. You quarantine people who have it so it can't be spread to others. If they had locked down the countries affected and not allowed anyone out for treatment elsewhere we wouldn't now have cases in Spain and the US. It's not like they don't know what this disease is like, they've dealt with previous outbreaks before. Nor is it racist, this should be standard policy no matter where the disease first appears. The fact that the African continent happens to be its home is just tough luck.

Yes, build the facilities, the sewers, etc, to make things better so treatment can be better, but for heaven's sake don't allow the disease to spread. We should have learned the lesson from the Spanish flu pandemic - "A large factor in the worldwide occurrence of this flu was increased travel. Modern transportation systems made it easier for soldiers, sailors, and civilian travelers to spread the disease."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic

But of course if you must be PC at all costs, well allow potentially infected people to fly everywhere and then we'll see if we can pass the 50-100 million death mark the Spanish flu set.
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That's not how Ebola is transmitted.

And the UK will have a case or two of Ebola, sooner rather than later. Telling brave health care volunteers who go to save lives "tough shit, you're on your own" isn't going to change that.

so if I sneeze blood all over you you'll be fine?
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Ebola is a highly infectious disease and what do you do with highly infestious diseases. You quarantine people who have it so it can't be spread to others. If they had locked down the countries affected and not allowed anyone out for treatment elsewhere we wouldn't now have cases in Spain and the US. It's not like they don't know what this disease is like, they've dealt with previous outbreaks before. Nor is it racist, this should be standard policy no matter where the disease first appears. The fact that the African continent happens to be its home is just tough luck.

Yes, build the facilities, the sewers, etc, to make things better so treatment can be better, but for heaven's sake don't allow the disease to spread. We should have learned the lesson from the Spanish flu pandemic - "A large factor in the worldwide occurrence of this flu was increased travel. Modern transportation systems made it easier for soldiers, sailors, and civilian travelers to spread the disease."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic

But of course if you must be PC at all costs, well allow potentially infected people to fly everywhere and then we'll see if we can pass the 50-100 million death mark the Spanish flu set.
How do you propose to find people to provide treatment, build faciilities and sewers to "make things better" while telling them they can't leave once they arrive and won't be treated in first world facilities if the worst happens?

And what does this have to do with political correctness?
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Yes.

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so if I sneeze blood all over you you'll be fine?
Oh, blood sneezing, of course! An entirely different story, you should have mentioned that you were talking about blood sneezing.

Patrick Sawyer vomited on a plance with 200 passengers. Not one passenger contracted the virus, and subsequently Nigeria managed to stamp out their Ebola outbreak. Nigeria.
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Ebola is in the news rather a lot these days. I understand that Ebola can be transmitted by physical contact with an infected person. Can it also be transmitted by mosquitoes? If eg a mosquito bites infected person A and then bites person B, is person B then infected?
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How do you propose to find people to provide treatment, build faciilities and sewers to "make things better" while telling them they can't leave once they arrive and won't be treated in first world facilities?

simple, quarantine

The best American and Spanish medical attention has proved you can't contain it, and the money would be much better spent at the source, a world wide combined effort, the current response is embarassing
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Oh, blood sneezing, of course! An entirely different story, you should have mentioned that you were talking about blood sneezing.

Patrick Sawyer vomited on a plance with 200 passengers. Not one passenger contracted the virus, and subsequently Nigeria managed to stamp out their Ebola outbreak. Nigeria.

funny then how something sooooooo hard to catch has been caught by TRAINED MEDICAL STAFF in full protective clothing in 1st world hospitals.
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funny then how something sooooooo hard to catch has been caught by TRAINED MEDICAL STAFF in full protective clothing in 1st world hospitals.
Improper training and use of protective gear, something that is not entirely unexpected at the start of an outbreak, particularly considering they're in the most dangerous situation, dealing with a patient at his most infectious state.

The American patient's family in Dallas is apparently still without symptoms, despite living in an apartment with him for days while he was symptomatic.

Are you actively looking for reasons to panic?
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