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Old 26.07.2014, 17:35
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Hallucinative Spider Bites Switzerland?

Does that sound remotely possible? Yesterday evening I was gathering the last of the blackberries from the forest, and it was getting dark. Often times when I pick blackberries in the thick there seems to be very colorful spiders lurking within. Such was the case in Siebnen, where I used to live, and was bitten on my hand, that caused it to swell.


Yesterday it was getting harder to see, and when I was about to pack it in I got stung on both sides of my face. On my right, "stronger" then on my left. It didn't feel like anything at first, but I could tell I was stung, then with minutes my entire right side went drastically numb. I was going in the house as it was and sat down. And very quickly my vision and perception got, lets say "loopy". My left side also got very swollen. For the record I had drank about 2 beers earlier in the evening. I didn't feel panicked, and within about 30 to 40 minutes the whole experience started to subside, and the swelling left.


I don't take drugs myself, so I have nothing to compare it to, nor would this be a side effect of drug use. And maybe it wasn't even a spider. But I normally react in terms of swelling to spiders in this way. I used to swell up with bee bites this way as well, as I am extremely allergic to them, but I have built up a bit of a tolerance to them over the years, partly because it my youth I was a bit stupid about bees.


Anyways, anyone know if this is possible from a spider or insect bite. Or from a particular plant brushing against your skin? I would have gone to a doctor, but I was in no state to drive, and the effects were gone before there was anytime to seriously worry about it.
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Old 26.07.2014, 18:18
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Re: Hallucinative Spider Bites Switzerland?

Sounds like it could be an allergic reaction to me. I'd check with your doctor the next time you have to see him about something else. And if you can try and catch one of the spiders to take with you when you go to see him.
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Old 26.07.2014, 18:55
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Re: Hallucinative Spider Bites Switzerland?

Are you sure it was a spider bite - you could have been stung by a nettle or something. So far I've not come across a spider in Europe that can effectively nip a human, apart from the giant house spider, but even then it's rare that you'd get a bite.

Off to do a quick google.

Actually it appears there are a few spiders in Europe that can be venomous and can nip

https://sites.google.com/site/venomo...nomous-spiders
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Are you sure it was a spider bite - you could have been stung by a nettle or something. So far I've not come across a spider in Europe that can effectively nip a human, apart from the giant house spider, but even then it's rare that you'd get a bite.

Off to do a quick google.

Actually it appears there are a few spiders in Europe that can be venomous and can nip

https://sites.google.com/site/venomo...nomous-spiders
Well I think at the heights I was at, it wasn't a nettle. When it happened it would have been atleast at 6, as my height is over 6 feet. Well in Siebnen, the spiders that would get me in the brush, were black with yellow striping I remember thinking it looked exotic.


I didn't see what got me at all.
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Old 26.07.2014, 19:00
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Re: Hallucinative Spider Bites Switzerland?

Where exactly were these blackberries? ......... I quite fancy a trip.
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Old 26.07.2014, 19:06
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Re: Hallucinative Spider Bites Switzerland?

If I give you the address of the berries I might as well give you the address to my farm...cow crap everywhere and humid mornings...I get Belgian "tourists" all the time on my property, having a look around.
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Old 26.07.2014, 19:11
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Re: Hallucinative Spider Bites Switzerland?

Black and yellow you say.

Were they these?
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Old 26.07.2014, 19:27
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Re: Hallucinative Spider Bites Switzerland?

I remember the dark part being much more black.
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Re: Hallucinative Spider Bites Switzerland?

I've been 'bitten' a couple of times by spiders in the hourse, those really big ones, giant house or garden spiders.. I just pick them up to throw them outside and a couple of times I've felt them try to bite me but since thez're not very strong there was no penetration to speak of.

I don't think there's anything native to these parts that could do you any harm unless by alergy.
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Old 26.07.2014, 20:36
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Re: Hallucinative Spider Bites Switzerland?

Are you sure it was spiders that bit you? Could it possibly have been bees or wasps, to trigger your allergy? (You mentioned that you have a bit of any allergy to bees/wasps). Stings from those usually leave a rather obvious type of mark, though -- usually with a hole in the center, where the stinger went in.

I think that, if I had been in your situation, I would have really freaked out. Going numb (and your vision going blurry) sounds very, very scary.

Anyways, I'm glad you're okay now!

But just so you know, if ever you should need it in the future (though I hope not!), there is a number you can call to talk to a nurse and get immediate advice. It's the Medgate hotline. aka "Telemedicine."

At this site of theirs, you can plug in your insurance carrier, and then they give you the number to call to speak to a nurse:

http://www.medgate.ch/en-us/telemedicinecenter.aspx
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Old 26.07.2014, 20:40
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Are you sure it was spiders that bit you? Could it possibly have been bees or wasps, to trigger your allergy? (You mentioned that you have a bit of any allergy to bees/wasps). Stings from those usually leave a rather obvious type of mark, though -- usually with a hole in the center, where the stinger went in.

I think that, if I had been in your situation, I would have really freaked out. Going numb (and your vision going blurry) sounds very, very scary.

Anyways, I'm glad you're okay now!

But just so you know, if ever you should need it in the future (though I hope not!), there is a number you can call to talk to a nurse and get immediate advice. It's the Medgate hotline. aka "Telemedicine."

At this site of theirs, you can plug in your insurance carrier, and then they give you the number to call to speak to a nurse:

http://www.medgate.ch/en-us/telemedicinecenter.aspx
I have been stung by bees before, of course, and there is no residual marking. It's totally gone. And, to explain the loopy part, it was not just being numb, it was visually interesting. I was a laugh bag for the next couple of hours (I had friends stop over as well).


It had an effect to calm me down. So I wasn't stressed.


I still can't figure out what happened exactly.
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Old 26.07.2014, 20:45
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Re: Hallucinative Spider Bites Switzerland?

Oh, okay. I didn't realize that...

Maybe you accidentally picked some magic mushrooms instead of blackberries.

(Where is this farm again? )
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Old 26.07.2014, 20:51
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Oh, okay. I didn't realize that...

Maybe you accidentally picked some magic mushrooms instead of blackberries.

(Where is this farm again? )
Blackberries were in Switzerland. Magic Mushrooms, and they are, are in France. Though, I just let the tourists do the picking. Too much trouble for me.
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Old 26.07.2014, 21:04
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Re: Hallucinative Spider Bites Switzerland?

Oh, okay. NOW I get the cow poo / humid mornings reference. (I hadn't even realized that when I mentioned the 'shrooms).

I'm a bit slow tonight... I tried out a new sangria recipe and did a bit too much taste-testing.
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Old 26.07.2014, 21:24
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Re: Hallucinative Spider Bites Switzerland?

I'm not aware of any poisonous spiders in Switzerland. Are you sure it was a spider?

Wasp stings can sting quite badly but I don't know of any hallucinative side effects. Also, it's pretty unlikely to be stung by a wasp without feeling it immediately and seeing it was a wasp.

The whole thing sounds rather mysterious to me.
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Old 26.07.2014, 21:25
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No, not sure. I just figured where I was it couldn't be much else, nor, do I have that kind of reaction to anything else.
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Old 26.07.2014, 21:31
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Re: Hallucinative Spider Bites Switzerland?

Can I come over and pick blackberries at yours??
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Re: Hallucinative Spider Bites Switzerland?

Sounds like curare to me. I'd take some beads to pacify the locals next time you forage on their patch.
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Old 26.07.2014, 22:03
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Maybe they were horseflies?
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