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What's that? You think a vasectomy makes you a bit sore? Let me tell you something, pal...
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Re: Urologist for Vasectomy

The above post, sadly, probably explains why the other thread was closed for trolling. A shame (and pretty stupid to compare a voluntary modern vasectomy to enforced castration on a young slave via Wikipedia- as said, more akin to trolling than a sensible and interesting discussion on the subject).
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Old 04.01.2015, 18:12
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Vasectomies are reversible, completely reversible.

Even with the word 'generally' in there this is still a shit piece of information.

Depending on where you look and what is measured the success rate is between 55%and 75%.
No it is not a shit piece of information. It is the information a doctor will give you when carrying out the procedure.

They may be reversible but it is by no means guaranteed and is much more complicated than the initial procedure. Nobody should consider a vasectomy as a temporary means of contraception even if the successful reversal rate has improved over the years. No competent doctor will ever recommend a vasectomy unless the person is absolutely sure that they don't want more children.

The longer ago the procedure was carried out the lower the chances of a reversal being successful.
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Re: Urologist for Vasectomy

So does that makes it okay for a thread to be closed? Why not just delete the post instead?
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Old 04.01.2015, 18:21
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So does that makes it okay for a thread to be closed? Why not just delete the post instead?
The answer is that when the original post is deleted it removes the whole thread. DB is known for his sense of humor and taking things off-track so even I wasn't sure if he was serious or not with that thread.
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The answer is that when the original post is deleted it removes the whole thread. DB is known for his sense of humor and taking things off-track so even I wasn't sure if he was serious or not with that thread.
I'll take your word for it, didn't even get a chance to view the thread.
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Old 04.01.2015, 18:30
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No it is not a shit piece of information. It is the information a doctor will give you when carrying out the procedure.

They may be reversible but it is by no means guaranteed and is much more complicated than the initial procedure. Nobody should consider a vasectomy as a temporary means of contraception even if the successful reversal rate has improved over the years. No competent doctor will ever recommend a vasectomy unless the person is absolutely sure that they don't want more children.

The longer ago the procedure was carried out the lower the chances of a reversal being successful.
There are no guarantees with any medical procedure whatsoever, it's really nothing new.
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Old 04.01.2015, 18:33
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At least with condoms there's no wet patch
If you have TURP for BPH, then that also usually fixes that problem.
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Old 04.01.2015, 18:38
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At least with condoms there's no wet patch
That very much depends on the woman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_ejaculation
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Old 04.01.2015, 18:46
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Maybe a guy decides he never wants to father children and has the procedure to ensure the question never arises.
Indeed.

Had a conversation with step-son #3 earlier this year as he was sure that he didn't want kids, ever (he's 30). His 20 year old girlfriend is now at 5 months.

Needless to say, he didn't follow up on it.

I also know someone who hid it reversed (and then redone). It cost about CHF 15K, but worked. Personally, I would have opted for saving some in the freezer had I thought I'd ever want more.

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Old 04.01.2015, 19:11
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OMG- been out and had no idea this would happen. So sincere apologies to Backtoch- and again, well done. Glad to hear all is working well, as said before, enjoy. My comment was a positive statement to congratulate someone for taking this big decision and being so positive about it.

Won't go into great detail- but agree it was shame to delete other discussion, although perhaps some participants did not mean to have a sensible and positive discussion.

My comment was never meant to be a negative judgement on those men who decide to do or not to do this, at whatever stage, or whatever reason (including Edot, of course, those who have chosen to never ever have children).
Several who took my post as a negative 'judgement' should have known better- due to their education- and having learnt to read a statement or 'essay' question. If I said that 'only real men play rugby' would it automatically imply that all the men who do not play rugby are not men? Daft, really.

Every case is different- and of course couples have to make any decision re contraception together (amazing how many do NOT though- but it is another story). In our case, I had just had so many very serious operations due to a car accident, then an emergency ceasarian after 10 hours in labour as the baby was a transversal breach- and then another difficult birth (forceps) for the second- and OH, bless him- said he never wanted me to have another op ever again. Techniques for female sterilisation have improved a lot since then- but even so, there is no denying that a vasectomy is a minor op, with local aneasthetic and return to normal within a day or two- and that the op is much more consequent for a woman.

I had been on the pill far too long, could not have a IUD due to scarring re ceasarian and had real problems with the first one fitted- condoms? for ever- no thanks. So that was great and no regrets.

When the decision was made, the surgeon told us that the only men who he was aware of had had psychological issues after vasectomy (and he was on an international research panel) were those who were insecure in their own sexuality or with poor self-esteem, often macho types, and who felt psychologically emasculated by it, despite the fact that it made no difference whatsoever to their physical ability to 'perform'. The majority of men who have seen their wives go through difficult childbirth, and experienced the joys, but also exhaustion and difficulties of their childrens' upbringing- felt a real surge os sexuality- freed from the worry about future pregnancies, and so did their wives. We certainly did Lots and lots of research and publications confirming this.

Again, apologies Backtoch- and well done to both of you. Over and out.
Thanks for clarifying Odile but if you go back and look at your original post I think you'll see why it caused such a reaction.
The remark to Backtoch was clearly secondary to the comment aimed at Slammer especially after your later edit highlighting the sexuality part.
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Re: Urologist for Vasectomy

Highlight was a quick response to parnell- and come on, Slammer's cartoon was perhaps meant to be funny- but pretty insensitive to someone who's recently had a vasectomy or considering having one- and illustrates too well how many men still think, and see it as castrating or emasculating (so back to the surgon's comments about some mens' insecurities re vasectomy. See also daft references to eunuchs- who were/are men slaves who are castrated when very young against their will).
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Highlight was a quick response to parnell-
That was pretty impressive given that Parnell didn't even contribute to this thread until the day after you made the post!
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Re: Urologist for Vasectomy

I think MathNut (don't know what gender that person is) did it best when he/she reversed the sexes in Odile's statement before asking the question "just how sexist/offensive" is this ?

Sadly I'm continually reminded on this forum of the tolerance towards all kinds of sexual violence against men - and Odile comes back to that point in her last post.

Since Nil got away with it - I'll also have a go - a real parent is one who absolutely does not cut or sexually abuse any child and certainly not their own. A real woman and a real man are evolved enough persons to decide for themselves what exactly the definition of either of those terms are.
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Highlight was a quick response to parnell-
Then in my opinion it would have been less confusing to have made a new post in response to him.
The highlighting only made your comment to Backtoch seem even more insignificant when in fact it was meant to be the main point of your post.
Go back and have a look at it, it does come across as an afterthought tacked onto the end of the sentence. ( it does to me at least)

Not having a go at you just explaining how it came across to me ( and possibly others too).
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Since Nil got away with it - I'll also have a go - a real parent is one who absolutely does not cut or sexually abuse any child and certainly not their own. A real woman and a real man are evolved enough persons to decide for themselves what exactly the definition of either of those terms are.
Huh? How did we get onto the subject of children? Last time I looked, this thread was all about vasectomies being performed on adult men.
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Huh? How did we get onto the subject of children? Last time I looked, this thread was all about vasectomies being performed on adult men.
Tenuous - if you look at Nil's post she brings up rape - I (chose) to bring up violence towards children. Happily admit to being off topic.
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We are all of us "real" people (well, in an online community, maybe not), and certainly all of us are flawed.
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What's that? You think a vasectomy makes you a bit sore? Let me tell you something, pal...
You did, I'm afraid. Eunuchs were and possibly are, children castrated against their will, often slaves- to serve the needs of their masters, be it to look after a Harem or other duties. So should never have been part of this thread for reasons you've just stated.
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You did, I'm afraid. Eunuchs were and possibly are, children castrated against their will, often slaves- to serve the needs of their masters, be it to look after a Harem or other duties. So should never have been part of this thread for reasons you've just stated.
Did you even look at the post you quoted, or just saw a picture of a eunuch and decided to take offence?

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