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Childcare in Zurich, a bit confused here...

Hi,

I know that someone will tell me that this is in some other thread but I am still a bit confused so I do have to ask; in Zurich:

- from 4 months to 4 years childcare is paid right?
- from 4 months to 4 years the child does not have to be enrolled in childcare facilities within their area of residence?
- from 4 years onward childcare is not paid because it is part of the education system, i.e. 4 to 6 is pre-school, correct?
- for pre-school children need to attend one in their area of residence, or not?

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Re: Childcare in Zurich, a bit confused here...

Yep
Yep (or at all)
4.5-5.5 depending on age on the first day of Kindergarten/school year in August.
Generally, unless there are exceptional reasons (children in other schools, tagesmutter in an other area etc)
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Re: Childcare in Zurich, a bit confused here...

Pre-school (Kindergarten) is not child care. It is a pre-SCHOOL. Meaning the hours are usually around 2-4 hours per day and you are expected to have a parent at home during the day alternatively sign up for child-care in parallell. Which you have to pay for of course.
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I really don't know then why they say education is for free in Switzerland. It seems to me very crazy all this. I had a job offer, the salary seems high (140,000). I did say to the employer that for a while I will be the only breadwinner. But my husband will not be at home to care of the child (2 years), rather he will be doing further studies. They know I have a child and yet they keep telling me it is more than enough. I keeping doing the maths and all the expenses, particularly with childcare, are beyond belief! Why would they try to get someone under these conditions? I am just so confused, I don't know anymore what is a good family income in Switzerland and frankly why families live there if it is so family unfriendly! Or am I wrong?
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Kindergarten hours, city of Zürich: It's five mornings from 8:10 to 12:00 for both classes (fist year and second year) and the second-year kindergarteners visit school on two afternoons, 13:35 -15:30 to get used to the longer hours of first grade and to get some specificly school geared lessons.
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... and frankly why families live there if it is so family unfriendly! Or am I wrong?
It is structured for a very standard and traditional nuclear family; dad works and mom stays at home.
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I really don't know then why they say education is for free in Switzerland. It seems to me very crazy all this. I had a job offer, the salary seems high (140,000). I did say to the employer that for a while I will be the only breadwinner. But my husband will not be at home to care of the child (2 years), rather he will be doing further studies. They know I have a child and yet they keep telling me it is more than enough. I keeping doing the maths and all the expenses, particularly with childcare, are beyond belief! Why would they try to get someone under these conditions? I am just so confused, I don't know anymore what is a good family income in Switzerland and frankly why families live there if it is so family unfriendly! Or am I wrong?
Switzerland in general is a low tax country. The trade-off for that is that you will have a much lower level of public provision and have to pay for stuff yourself directly that in other countries you pay for through your taxes. If you are earning CHF 140K a year you may well find you are actually ahead on the deal.


Also, before you criticise the cost of childcare, think of your own salary compared to your home country. Higher, eh? The same applies to childcare staff, it is always going to cost a lot more than most other countries.


Oh and education is free. Childcare isn't.


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Swiss society is moving on but officialdom will take rather longer to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
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Re: Childcare in Zurich, a bit confused here...

140'000 CHF + full time child care is going to be tight.

Depends on how many kids you have of course. One child would be ok but two... You have to assume approx 20'000 per child per year.

The system is built on the assumption that either you have a parent at home or two salaries of around 90'000 each. Or you are poor and get subsidies. The system is definitely not made for one parent working and the other studying full time. For those situations you are expected to take of your savings alt. take a loan or live frugally.

One has to look at it long term though. The kids are in need for care for a relatively short time of your working life. As of 3. Grade you can expect the kids to manage with Mittagstisch only which is a lot cheaper. So you need to look at these years as an investment for future higher earnings.

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I really don't know then why they say education is for free in Switzerland. It seems to me very crazy all this. I had a job offer, the salary seems high (140,000). I did say to the employer that for a while I will be the only breadwinner. But my husband will not be at home to care of the child (2 years), rather he will be doing further studies. They know I have a child and yet they keep telling me it is more than enough. I keeping doing the maths and all the expenses, particularly with childcare, are beyond belief! Why would they try to get someone under these conditions? I am just so confused, I don't know anymore what is a good family income in Switzerland and frankly why families live there if it is so family unfriendly! Or am I wrong?
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140'000 CHF + full time child care is going to be tight.

Depends on how many kids you have of course. One child would be ok but two... You have to assume approx 20'000 per child per year.

It could be done. The local Swiss tend to earn less. OP can also minimize her cost of living, particularly housing, by living outside of Zuerich. But as I seem to recall, she's a Berliner who is looking for a comparable lifestyle. Because of this, I imagine she will be susceptible to painful culture shock. Simply because I don't think you can live a Berlin lifestyle in Switzerland.
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I really don't know then why they say education is for free in Switzerland.
because you don't pay for it (except via taxes, obviously).

It's no different to any other European country that I'm aware of, and the hours aren't so different to e.g. Scandinavian countries.

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... why families live there if it is so family unfriendly! Or am I wrong?
In my view you are wrong - don't confuse expensive childcare with family friendliness. Switzerland is very clean, very safe, a good education system, and loads of outdoor activity options - all strong family positive points.

It does have expensive childcare, although once at kindergarten/school many gemeinde have linked childcare options that are better value, and even free lunch clubs.

ps. there are statistics here for "average" Swiss families http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/e...n0/niveau.html; clearly your family (and mine) are way above the average income, it very much depends how you want to live rather than how much you earn.

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Re: Childcare in Zurich, a bit confused here...

I just read that you are from Berlin, so some of your confusion is understandable. Consider that Kindergarten is something entirely different here.

Kindergarten belongs to school, it is compulsory for every child.The Kindergarten teachers are teachers, not carers, they have a bachelors degree in Pedagogy. Kindergarten has a normal curriculum like any school. There are lessons, free play, organised play tailored to the childs needs.

If needed, a special education teacher, a speech pathologist or a German as a second language teacher will come into class and work with those children who need it.
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I really don't know then why they say education is for free in Switzerland. It seems to me very crazy all this. I had a job offer, the salary seems high (140,000). I did say to the employer that for a while I will be the only breadwinner. But my husband will not be at home to care of the child (2 years), rather he will be doing further studies. They know I have a child and yet they keep telling me it is more than enough. I keeping doing the maths and all the expenses, particularly with childcare, are beyond belief! Why would they try to get someone under these conditions? I am just so confused, I don't know anymore what is a good family income in Switzerland and frankly why families live there if it is so family unfriendly! Or am I wrong?
I did it on <100K. OK, no spouse to support, but yeah, it's perfectly fine, I'm sure a husband doesn't cost half as much again.
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I really don't know then why they say education is for free in Switzerland. It seems to me very crazy all this. I had a job offer, the salary seems high (140,000). I did say to the employer that for a while I will be the only breadwinner. But my husband will not be at home to care of the child (2 years), rather he will be doing further studies.
Even if I agree with 'not so family friendly' opinion of Switzerland, I think the limiting factor are not your children but your expectation: 'my partner is not working and not taking care of children and still I expect the same quality of life as families where both parents are working'.
At the moment you are investing money into your partner's future salary. that is why your budget is smaller. You can also stop investing.

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Why would they try to get someone under these conditions? I am just so confused, I don't know anymore what is a good family income in Switzerland and frankly why families live there if it is so family unfriendly! Or am I wrong?
we must all be a bunch of stupid people living with our families in Switzerland!! so you should defenetily not accept that job! you'll even be more confused when you see food prices, living cost, etc...
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