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Old 22.06.2015, 21:41
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Apologies, I hadn't heard about the new rules only allowing responses that agreed with the OP and forbid any other discussion.

When I post something stupid, I accept the consequences (which, to be fair, the OP seems to have done) without sulking about it or asking for people to be prevented from having their say.

Perhaps you might be better with an altogether fluffier forum.

http://www.catster.com/forums/Kitten_and_Kittens_Corner
Who said anything about agreeing?

In the first three pages EF seems to know all the transsexuals in Europe.

The OP was stupid yes but not half as stupid as some of the replies.


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Old 22.06.2015, 21:43
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Do you like it darling
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Old 22.06.2015, 21:44
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In the first three pages EF seems to know all the transsexuals in Europe.
One of those that I know is a member of EF. Maybe we all know the same one.
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Old 22.06.2015, 21:47
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One of those that I know is a member of EF. Maybe we all know the same one.
There is a transexual on EF, I knew that, I could tell by the way they typed.
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Old 22.06.2015, 21:58
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Re: Transexual as a coach

I haven't read the whole thread, but I think the OP's concern Is that his daughter is too young to be exposed to confusing issues like a man transitioning to be a woman.

When my daughter was about 11, she started watching the show "Glee". I was an idiot and assumed it was a moder day version of something like "Fame" which I loved as a kid. So I let her watch without "screening" it first.

A couple of seasons in (she "marathon-watched" them), I watched an episode with her. oh my God! pregnant teenagers, sex in jacuzzis with the football players, faked pregnancies, coaches transgendering, cheating spouses etc etc! I was mortified! My baby was 11!

But then I looked at her watching this show and taking it completely in stride, without any big hooplas attached, and I realised I did her the best service. She watched these issues as part of a show that she loved, and she considered them NORMAL. Just some things that some people get to decide for themselves, and other people get to have own opinions on.

and as she has grown up I see that that is in fact how she sees the world. completely open minded and non judgmental. As in, AT ALL. so that worked out well!

My point is that yes, OP, your daughter might be confused and have questions. Answer them. And then let her play volleyball while she also learns that different people have different struggles and that everyone has the right to live the life they want, as long as it doesn't harm others.
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Old 23.06.2015, 09:54
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... started watching the show "Glee"... coaches transgendering ...
Looks like OP should get the box set of Glee for his daughter for Christmas

Joking aside, I think you are right Eved that sometimes letting small(and big) kids wander through the big maze that is life, with no supervision (from time to time) makes them more open and balanced. We are all flawed and, whether we accept it or not, pass on our own fears, insecurities, prejudices, etc. to our kids subliminally and directly. Hopefully, it's not too late for OP's daughter.
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Old 23.06.2015, 11:07
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Re: Transexual as a coach

There is no one size fits all to parenting, and everybody brings their own lessons learned (or baggage) to bear. I smirk at all these advice and approaches on how one should raise their child. At the end of the day, its about a relationship a parent and their child. That is what needs to be nurtured, not some notion popular culture seems to have concocted last season.
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Old 23.06.2015, 11:33
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At the end of the day, its about a relationship a parent and their child. That is what needs to be nurtured, not some notion popular culture seems to have concocted last season.
Very true, but that must also include being able to deal with whatever the world reasonably throws at the child rather than expecting the world to conform to an individual parent's expectations. The question under discussion is simply whether the situation this child was exposed to fits that definition of "reasonably".
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Old 23.06.2015, 12:35
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There is no one size fits all to parenting, and everybody brings their own lessons learned (or baggage) to bear. I smirk at all these advice and approaches on how one should raise their child. At the end of the day, its about a relationship a parent and their child. That is what needs to be nurtured, not some notion popular culture seems to have concocted last season.

Absolutely, but the OP chose to come on to EF and ask for advice and people's opinion on the matter- so people answered- as requested. Quote:

'Am I asking to much to be informed when there is a new coach ? Is this something that I just have to accept?? What is the norm here in Switzerland?'

About the norm in Switzerland. Not sure where OP comes from, but in the UK all staff adn volunteers working with children have to be CRB checked (police record check)- all scout leaders, all clubs, etc, both daughter numéro uno and sil volunteer as rugby coaches at their local RC club- and they had to be CRB checked before they could start. This is not the case in Switzerland. I am on the Education Commitee here, and both OH and I often help with school activities as volunteers. Kids all know who we are now, but the first time we went caving with a group, and xcountry skiing with another- the teachers just told a group: you lot go with that lady over there, and you lot go with that man- and we took them to the cave and the slope in our cars (we had lived in the village for about 3 years when we started helping).

As a long-time teacher and parent, and grand-parent in the UK- we were amazed that the teachers didn't introduce us first to the kids, explaining who we are and why we were there- but no. As far as the parents and the kids were concerned, the teachers knew us and trusted us to be there, and that was fine. Some my disagree here, but we are quite 'normal grandparents lookalike and not too 'different', despite OH's very British accent.
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Old 23.06.2015, 13:10
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In the first three pages EF seems to know all the transsexuals in Europe.
I know 2 who have had the full reversal and 1 who hasn't - I am sure there are quite a few more in Europe btw.

Local kids love OH's British accent- they are not used to it round here- and they think it is soooo cute- and trust him totally.

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Old 23.06.2015, 15:16
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I know 2 who have had the full reversal and 1 who hasn't - I am sure there are quite a few more in Europe btw.

Local kids love OH's British accent- they are not used to it round here- and they think it is soooo cute- and trust him totally.
So which way did ...."OH" go then ?
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Old 23.06.2015, 15:16
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I know 2 who have had the full reversal and 1 who hasn't - I am sure there are quite a few more in Europe btw.

Local kids love OH's British accent- they are not used to it round here- and they think it is soooo cute- and trust him totally.
I don't blame them, we do have the cutest accents! But I hope that's not the only reason they trust him, or anyone googling "kids, trust" could find a great tip here!

Odile the CRBs are called DBS now and also must be done if you work with vulnerable adults, I used to have to get a new one every 6 months x
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Old 23.06.2015, 15:28
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'Am I asking to much to be informed when there is a new coach ? Is this something that I just have to accept?? What is the norm here in Switzerland?'
I think that is a perfectly valid question from someone just learning about life in Switzerland. Particularly because the school systems here have very little accountability towards the parents of children. Where I come from, we can question teachers and principles, ask and lobby for change, or maybe even threaten a lawsuit, but there is certainly dialog. Very little here in Switzerland, only lecturing from aggrandized teachers. Now, if the OP was sending her children to private schools, and paying, then sure she should have the right to ask how and why these things are done.
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Old 23.06.2015, 15:57
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Re: Transexual as a coach

Valid question. I gave a valid answer in post 13 on this thread!
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Old 23.06.2015, 17:59
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So which way did ...."OH" go then ?
North from Cape Town to UK then ...
south , from England to Switzerland!

of course it was a valid question about the norm in Switzerland- and I did answer

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I think that is a perfectly valid question from someone just learning about life in Switzerland. Particularly because the school systems here have very little accountability towards the parents of children. Where I come from, we can question teachers and principles, ask and lobby for change, or maybe even threaten a lawsuit, but there is certainly dialog. Very little here in Switzerland, only lecturing from aggrandized teachers. Now, if the OP was sending her children to private schools, and paying, then sure she should have the right to ask how and why these things are done.


I agree with some of your points, but as a teacher, trust me, we have to keep some overbearing "helicopter parents" at bay, if only for the sanity and good running of schools: some want to have Roald Dahl banned as too radical and scary and others want to know why there's too little of him in the curriculum, some want religion to be mentioned and others are all against it, some want more homework and others none at all...the list could go on over several pages. If there was so much meddling from patients with their surgeons, they'd all die! It would be nice to trust and let the professionals do their jobs, although I do concede that some need "shaking up" from time to time; they are a tiny minority in otherwise a totally committed profession.
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I agree with some of your points, but as a teacher, trust me, we have to keep some overbearing "helicopter parents" at bay, if only for the sanity and good running of schools:
That, and also those who cannot even conceive that the (perfect) little darlings will not always be in the position to gracefully "accept" the less fortunate ones, but will also be in need to receive some unconditional respect and trust.....at some point in their life - beginning of their careers, when in different countries/cultures/unfamiliar context etc.
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I agree with some of your points, but as a teacher, trust me, we have to keep some overbearing "helicopter parents" at bay, if only for the sanity and good running of schools: some want to have Roald Dahl banned as too radical and scary and others want to know why there's too little of him in the curriculum, some want religion to be mentioned and others are all against it, some want more homework and others none at all...the list could go on over several pages. If there was so much meddling from patients with their surgeons, they'd all die! It would be nice to trust and let the professionals do their jobs, although I do concede that some need "shaking up" from time to time; they are a tiny minority in otherwise a totally committed profession.
I'll give you a Thank for the honesty, because your post does acknowledge some teachers' disdain for their student's parents.

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Where I come from, we can question teachers and principles, ask and lobby for change, or maybe even threaten a lawsuit, but there is certainly dialog.
That's not dialog, that's war. In Switzerland, don't forget the passive part of passive-agressive. It is seen as a good thing. Cultural differences, I suppose.
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That's not dialog, that's war. In Switzerland, don't forget the passive part of passive-agressive. It is seen as a good thing. Cultural differences, I suppose.
Its not actually war, its micromanagement.
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