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Really?

Expats - while they may indeed be uninformed, they pay taxes too, so you don't pay for them, their insurance does.

Spoiled brats? Well, when you have a child who is sick and not responding to treatment at home... usually we call the hospital/duty doc and on their recommendation (if they make it) come into hospital.

Old people - you mean the ones who could easily die because they are old and infirm?
This is not my list, but given by the referred article (RTFA)!!

Statistically these groups run directly to the ER without consulting a GP first more often than the average. They haven't done this in the same amount just 14 years ago: an increase of 140% (more than doubled) since 2000!!! The associated costs are indeed significant.

And no, taxes have nothing to do with health costs, at all!

And yes, indeed we will pay for them, since the premiums will increase because of the significant rise of health costs. They are already announced.

-- And for the record: OF course everybody should and does have access to ER if it is an emergency, it is even guaranteed by law, of course, BUT the misuse by Bagatellfälle, the hospitals cannot decline to be treated, is the issue, and not your justified concern about your children or old parents, of course ... you got that, now?
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Old 20.07.2015, 19:13
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This ideed seems to e a problem for quite a while already. And especially among foreigners, as stated by several Swiss news channels:

2010: http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/18605929

2008: http://www.srf.ch/sendungen/espresso...t-zum-hausarzt

The bad result:

- higher costs
- longer waiting times
- hospitals had to change/enlarge their emergency processes (which were/are not intended for general consults)

Emergency only means: LIFE THREATENING!!! ... at least for the Swiss
That's not true. I went to emergency twice for non-life threatening emergencies. I had three broken ribs once, and the second time, I was passed out on the bathroom floor. Neither was life threatening, simply extremely painful, or it would have been the second time, had I been awake.
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That's not true. I went to emergency twice for non-life threatening emergencies. I had three broken ribs once, and the second time, I was passed out on the bathroom floor. Neither was life threatening, simply extremely painful, or it would have been the second time, had I been awake.

Nothing wrong with going if you're in pain, or have an unexpected result - for example passing out, severe hives and swelling. I went to the ER on the weekend once because I had a serious fungal infection with a fuzzy green tongue and my oncologist told me to. Lots of physicians will advise you to go in these situations.
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Re: Emergency hospital for kids

I agree with the phone help lines. Our insurance does one. I have rung once & expected her to say "stop flapping" (got back from Thailand, kid has high temperature, threw up in the aisle of the plane, covered in mosquito bites etc). But no, she said "Go to E.R. *N*O*W*".
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Old 20.07.2015, 19:55
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I was passed out on the bathroom floor. Neither was life threatening, simply extremely painful, or it would have been the second time, had I been awake.
Unconsciousness is a life threatening situation .
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Unconsciousness is a life threatening situation .
No, the doctor said I was simply unconscious from the pain and the paramedics managed to get an IV in and start a line. I walked out of the hospital a few hours later after IV opiates.... I had to go back for surgery a couple of weeks later, but it was not life threatening, just a threat to my quality of life.

Anyhow, I do find it a bit weird that people have trouble finding doctors. I've never had this problem as a foreigner. Even when my doctor is away, there's always the permanence-type clinics in other parts of Switzerland I would hope?
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Even when my doctor is away, there's always the permanence-type clinics in other parts of Switzerland I would hope?
No, here standard procedure is to go to ER when doctor is busy/closed.

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Re: Emergency hospital for kids

OP, the Hopital de l'Enfance in Lausanne is where the specialized pediatric ER is. It belongs to the CHUV.

You start by seeing a triage nurse, who will listen to the symptoms and give you a 'grade' depending on the severity of said symptoms.

If you come because your child has a runny nose, you'll likely to wait for 2-3 hours. When I came because one of my kids had croup or bronchiolitis, we were seen immediately.
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I don't care that it isn't your list and I don't dispute the findings/data. I am focused on your concluding comment based on that list. You know the "awkward" bit. Or is that exact conclusion also in your, sorry, the reports you quote?

How did you put it? Oh yes... you got that, now?



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No, here standard procedure is to go to ER when doctor is busy/closed.

Tom
Not with our Drs - there's always an out of hours central number to call first. This is usually an on call Dr who can either give medical advice, make a house visit or advise you visit the nearest hospital.

There are also open all hours clinics in Basel that if you don't have a GP you can just go to (rather than hospitals).

As an anecdote, we called the kinderspital (BS) for our son who was running a high fever not responsive to combo analgesics (voltarin and alergan). They told us to come in. We were triaged into the "hausartz" section vs. "ER", and the on-duty hausartz turned out to by our son's paediatrician.

And for our friendly Sublime - quote from our paediatician "you were right to bring him in, it's early pneumonia".
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I don't care that it isn't your list and I don't dispute the findings/data. I am focused on your concluding comment based on that list. You know the "awkward" bit. Or is that exact conclusion also in your, sorry, the reports you quote?
Yeah, it's indeed awkward.



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As an anecdote, we called the kinderspital (BS) for our son who was running a high fever not responsive to combo analgesics (voltarin and alergan). They told us to come in. We were triaged into the "hausartz" section vs. "ER", and the on-duty hausartz turned out to by our son's paediatrician.

And for our friendly Sublime - quote from our paediatician "you were right to bring him in, it's early pneumonia".
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