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Emergency hospital for kids

I'm living in Vevey with my 3 years and 5 years kids.
When they need the treatment in emergency, I usually call Samartin Hospital and they give me the direction. Sometimes go to there to see a doctor, sometimes they recommend the other doctor.


Samartin is not too bad, but also not so good from my experience.
There're often a only young doctor with lack of experience.
(This is not only my opinion. )


I would like ask people who have child/children like me.
Do you have any recommended good emergency hospital for kids?




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Re: Emergency hospital for kids

If your child needs emergency care then you take him/her to the NEAREST open hospitsal, in your case Samaratin which has an absolutely first class paedeatric service.

Emergency patients see the doctor on duty at the time, and i think you'll find their is a paedeatrician available too.

Emergencies they are unable to deal with will be transfered by air or ambulance to CHUV, about 20 minutes away.

Kids jump any queues and are seem immediately or as soon as they have finished with the one they are dealing with.

You see a "young doctor" who has the latest and best training and will be supervised by a senior doctor.

What else you want ?
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When they need the treatment in emergency, I usually call
How often do your kids need emergency hospital treatment??

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You see a "young doctor" who has the latest and best training and will be supervised by a senior doctor.

What else you want ?
For Junior doctors to become consultants with out ever treating a patient... obviously
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How often do your kids need emergency hospital treatment??



For Junior doctors to become consultants with out ever treating a patient... obviously
Are you aware of how much it costs to do it this way?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$
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Are you aware of how much it costs to do it this way?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$
I wasn't serious........ it was a sarcastic reply. Never mind the cost, how would they learn?
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Dear all,

First of all, Thank you for watching and sparing your precious time to replying for my topic.
And then I feel sorry if you felt uncomfortable about this.


Both of my kids have chronic diseases.
Unfortunately, they sometimes need the emargency treatment on not weekdays.
Obviously, it is not enough that our home doctor's care.
Also the symptoms of kids are suddenly change and get serious.
Even how expensive, it is natural that parents want to make their kids the appropriate treatments.
If you have no kid, I appreciate it if you'll keep it your mind.


I do know there are necessary to gain the experience to see a lot of patients like my kids for the young doctors. It is same as in my home country.
However, at the same time, I know that my friends's 2 kids were misdiagbosed there including my son.
(it's long story. I'll omit this story. Of couse I also know there are a lot of good doctors there as well.)


So, I posted this topic.
I decided to close here and ask it at the other place.


Thank you for your understanding.
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Re: Emergency hospital for kids

If they have a chronic disease, why not have a chat with your kids regular pediatrician? He or she may know the best procedure for your children and may even write a letter which may opens some closed and unknown doors.
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Re: Emergency hospital for kids

I have already asked my home doctor, but she don't have new solution. She always recommends that hospital.
I've been waiting for my turn to get an appointment the other doctor to change.


In fact I'm considering to come return to my home country. There are a lot of the emergency hospital for kids that the pediatrician are always there. It doesn't cost high even though I go there by the amburance.


It is not good that kids and father live separately, I beleive so. But I also think it might be the best to return.


Thank you for your concern.
I do my best.
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Re: Emergency hospital for kids

Is she a pediatrician or an internist?
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Re: Emergency hospital for kids

The cost for emergency care is the same all over the world. The difference lies in who picks up the bill.

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It doesn't cost high even though I go there by the amburance.
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Re: Emergency hospital for kids

My home doctor is a pediatrician. I heard that she has about 10 years experience. She herself is good person, I like her.


By the way, I think that the cost for emegency treatment is NOT same all over the world..Beause each country has each different insurance system.
And as regards to take ambrance, it is completely of free charge in my home country. Usually the ambrance comes within 5 mins whenever we live in my home country.


Anyway, I close this topic.
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The cost for emergency care is the same all over the world. The difference lies in who picks up the bill.
Not true. There are efficiency differences and, in the case of some countries *cough* where all health cover is provided by insurance, a total lack of interest in presenting an honest bill for only the treatment which was actually needed and consumed.
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By the way, I think that the cost for emegency treatment is NOT same all over the world..Beause each country has each different insurance system.
Not only insurance system, but in how many tiers the health care is structured and what they look like.

In Switzerland the first tier and port of call (for adults) is your general practitioner / internists. For children it would be their pediatrician. If not available (holiday, weekends, etc.) there is normally a replacement doctor on duty (maybe next town). Unless the situation is life threatening or replacement is not suitable for the condition (not much help to go with a broken arm to a dermatologist w/o an x-ray machine) you normally do not go to the ER.

Some hospitals now have a triage system where the non-emergency cases are treated by an GP and only the real emergencies go to the ER.

Problem these days, many do not have a GP, there are not enough GPs, and some delay a doctors visit until weekend. Some even when not they themselves but their children are suffering.
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Not only insurance system, but in how many tiers the health care is structured and what they look like.

In Switzerland the first tier and port of call (for adults) is your general practitioner / internists. For children it would be their pediatrician. If not available (holiday, weekends, etc.) there is normally a replacement doctor on duty (maybe next town). Unless the situation is life threatening or replacement is not suitable for the condition (not much help to go with a broken arm to a dermatologist w/o an x-ray machine) you normally do not go to the ER.

Some hospitals now have a triage system where the non-emergency cases are treated by an GP and only the real emergencies go to the ER.

Problem these days, many do not have a GP, there are not enough GPs, and some delay a doctors visit until weekend. Some even when not they themselves but their children are suffering.
This ideed seems to e a problem for quite a while already. And especially among foreigners, as stated by several Swiss news channels:

2010: http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/18605929

2008: http://www.srf.ch/sendungen/espresso...t-zum-hausarzt

The bad result:

- higher costs
- longer waiting times
- hospitals had to change/enlarge their emergency processes (which were/are not intended for general consults)

Emergency only means: LIFE THREATENING!!! ... at least for the Swiss
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Re: Emergency hospital for kids

Or here a quite current article again (Feb 2015):


People go to emergency access of the hospital due to a flu, abdominal pain, nausea ... WTF!?

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz/...story/18770526
http://www.srf.ch/sendungen/srf-4-ak...t-kein-notfall

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- Expats
- Young people
- Old people

That's really awkward. And we pay for them. Spoiled brats and uninformed foreigners??
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Re: Emergency hospital for kids

Because they need a sick note to stay off work or school? If it takes a few days to see your GP & you need a piece of paper to tell your employer you're ill, people will go to the ER.
Where we are there is a triage nurse who sees patients & waiting time is longer for those who aren't urgent. If you turn up covered in blood, it's quicker.
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The solution would be easy. Everybody who consults an emergency at the hospital due to a Bagatellfall (simple case) shall pay the double amount and the reimbursment by the insurance shall be rejected. Soon, we would be back to normal conditions.
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Or here a quite current article again (Feb 2015):


People go to emergency access of the hospital due to a flu, abdominal pain, nausea ... WTF!?

Not referring to the OP here, but in general, this is why systems like telmed - a telephone triage system are helpful. You call and talk to a physician who assesses your situation and gives you advice. I know that sometimes the advice is not perfect, but you don't have to follow it. In that case, you do have to follow your gut - and I know with children things can change in a minute.

We've had really good experiences with this. My husband was having mysterious allergic reactions and the first time, he was sent to the ER by the triage system. After that, he had a protocol to follow and we were able to stay out of the ER and deal with the problem at home with proper treatment.
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Not referring to the OP here, but in general, this is why systems like telmed - a telephone triage system are helpful. You call and talk to a physician who assesses your situation and gives you advice. You call and talk to a physician who assesses your situation and gives you advice. I know that sometimes the advice is not perfect, but you don't have to follow it. In that case, you do have to follow your gut - and I know with children things can change in a minute.

We've had really good experiences with this. My husband was having mysterious allergic reactions and the first time, he was sent to the ER by the triage system. After that, he had a protocol to follow and we were able to stay out of the ER and deal with the problem at home with proper treatment.
We had the same thing in the U.K. where the local G.P. failed us miserably (paracetamol to treat meningitis) but NHS Direct listened to the symptoms I described and called an ambulance on our behalf.
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That's really awkward. And we pay for them. Spoiled brats and uninformed foreigners??
Really?

Expats - while they may indeed be uninformed, they pay taxes too, so you don't pay for them, their insurance does.

Spoiled brats? Well, when you have a child who is sick and not responding to treatment at home... usually we call the hospital/duty doc and on their recommendation (if they make it) come into hospital.

Old people - you mean the ones who could easily die because they are old and infirm?

You're all heart.

And for the record, going to ER with child is not top of my list of "things to do" on a weekend/evening.
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