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Zurich: Catholic/nfp gynaecologist wanted

Hi, no judgements please, just helpful suggestions.
I am looking for a gynaecologist in Zurich/round the lake. They should be supportive of Natural Family planning - Bbt/billings method. Ideally they will have some knowledge of nfp as a contraceptive method.
I don't want someone who is going to spend the appointment trying to persuade me to take the pill.
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Re: Zurich: Catholic/nfp gynaecologist wanted

Maybe phone the english speaking catholic church in Zurich at St Anton's...
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Re: Zurich: Catholic/nfp gynaecologist wanted

Call gynaes you can find on doktor.ch and tell the medical assistant on the phone which method you want to go along with and ask if the doctor is supportive of that. If the medical assistant shows hesitation, call the next practice.

I doubt that a doc would tell you which religious denomination they belong to, as that can be viewed as a very private matter, and one which (IMO) shouldn't affect the way patients get treated. Doctors are supposed to be objective. If you walk in there and say that you want nfp (after having asked the medical assistant beforehand if the doctor knows the method) and add that the pill isn't an option for you, the doc should explore nfp with you and let the pill be since you've made your point clear.

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Re: Zurich: Catholic/nfp gynaecologist wanted

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Re: Zurich: Catholic/nfp gynaecologist wanted

I thought the whole point of banning contraception was that you should be making new little Catholics, rather than finding loopholes?

But any decent docutor should take into account your wishes not to take drugs where there are alternatives.
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Re: Zurich: Catholic/nfp gynaecologist wanted

not sure if you are familiar with these ovulation predictor kits, similar to this: http://www.amazon.com/Clearblue-Fert...+predictor+kit

We used something similar when we were trying to get pregnant in order to know when ovulation occurred (and ok, I like gadgets!) but the original purpose of it was to help those who wanted "natural" birth control. Iirc, I had to pee on some test strips, the first month more often for it to learn my natural hormone levels, and then fewer times after that. On ovulation days, it would give a frowny face!

Since I got pregnant pretty quickly (2nd month both times we "tried") I didn't actually use it that much, but I think that is how it worked... I don't remember what brand I used, but I am sure there are even better ones out now.
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Re: Zurich: Catholic/nfp gynaecologist wanted

In certain circumstances (e.g. health, financial real son) and after talking to your parish priest priest it is permissible for a Catholic couple to practise natural family planning - this involves tracking you body temperature and cervical mucus to tell when a women is fertile or not.
The core of the method is abstinence during the woman's fertile time
It's really the mans fault as if all is well they are fertile all the time, as opposed to about a period of 5-7 days for a women.
In an ideal world doctors would be supportive of Catholic women's choices and knowledgable of nfp.
Sadly this very often isn't the case. Well that has been my experience. I am so bored of explaining repeatedly and politely that no I don't want X or Y contraceptive.
Nfp works as well as the pill, if not better if practised correctly, isn't hard to learn, cost very little and doesn't affect the women's health in the way that the pill and other contraceptives do. Plus you get to learn a lot about your body which I think is really amazing.
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Re: Zurich: Catholic/nfp gynaecologist wanted

If you permit me to be very honest, I have the feeling the fact that you are already getting into a negative set of mind even before you contact the doctor might be working against you.

I have seen a few gynecologists in Switzerland and Germany and none, I mean absolutely none, tried to turn me into any specific type of contraception. They asked from the beginning what I used (if any) and that was it. No speech, no conversion, nothing. Just a box check for future reference.

Doctors are, in my personal experience, luckily on the science side of things, not the religious. I have never been asked about my religious beliefs (or lack of them) by any doctor. They respect your personal choices and don't push any specific agenda on you (they will, however, probably reffer to the negative side of any contraception, which might hurt some more sensible mimosas).

You have a lot of information about contraception available in Switzerland in this site, including chemical and natural:

http://www.verhuetungsinfo.ch/

Please be aware that the methods to find if you are ovulating (like those of Clear Blue Fertility Monitor) are not good for contraception - they announce a little too late when you are ovulating, and since sperm can survive up to 48h, there might be an oopsie 9 months later.

There are a lot of choices in the natural contraception section of your local pharmacy. Just go there and ask for advice. Make sure to mention you want contraception, not just "finding when you are ovulating". They have a few kits and gadgets available. One of the most common is the Persona.

But to be honest, just contact a gynecologist in your area and have a talk. I really have the feeling you are making a storm out of a glass of water.
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Re: Zurich: Catholic/nfp gynaecologist wanted

Helm is spot on here.

Please don't go into your appointment on the defensive, and limiting your search to a doctor of a particular religion or belief set might be erecting unnecessary barriers. Search rather for someone easy to talk to. Any patient-centered gynecologist, regardless of his/her personal beliefs, will help you find solutions you are comfortable with. For any issue or concern you have.

You mention that you are willing to look 'around the lake'. If Altendorf (in SZ, at the end of the lake) isn't too far away, I can recommend a very patient doctor who I find easy to talk to. I have no idea what her personal beliefs, or lack thereof, are, as that is wholly irrelevant to the doctor/patient relationship. Her approach with me has been to first understand my wishes and concerns, in all areas, as we discuss treatment options. She might be a good fit for you.

If you would like her contact details, just PM me.

Her practice is very busy, there might be a wait of several months for a routine appointment for new patients.


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Alternatively, and forgive me for stating the obvious, but have you asked other women at your church for recommendations?

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There are a lot of choices in the natural contraception section of your local pharmacy. Just go there and ask for advice. Make sure to mention you want contraception, not just "finding when you are ovulating". They have a few kits and gadgets available. One of the most common is the Persona.
That's the one I used - Persona - but an older (2004) model! It certainly "helped" me to get pregnant, so hopefully it can also be reasonably good for preventing one!
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That's the one I used - Persona - but an older (2004) model! It certainly "helped" me to get pregnant, so hopefully it can also be reasonably good for preventing one!
Oh? I thought the Persona was contraception only. I used an ovulationtest from Clearblue to help me get pregnant too (just checked it out, but doesn't have any special name on the box), and it was written in big letters "don't use this as contraception" (the price of that thing would forbbid sex on a regular basis on any case.... ). Hence my warning. Maybe they have the same name for different products
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Re: Zurich: Catholic/nfp gynaecologist wanted

@Halseys

I can understand that you dread being cornered into an ideological discussion with a doctor, about contraception methods, when you've already decided, for yourself, that you don't want to use the pill.

You are an adult, and can decide for yourself what you do. The internet (and a good gynaecologist) can tell you a lot about the risks, [dis]dvantages and freedoms of any particular method, so that you are taking informed decisions.

Quite apart from Catholicism, there is, after all, a growing sense amongst many women that the pill especially can potentially be bad for one's health, and yet other women want to go back to nature, etc., and with these there is a whole range of women who don't want to be preached at about how they choose to practice (or not to practice) and particular kind of contraception. Therefore, I agree with the Helm and meloncollie, that you might be pleasantly surprised that a GOOD gynaecologist might simply check that you have the right info about the methods you have chosen, and besides that say little more than: "oh, okay, your choice".
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Re: Zurich: Catholic/nfp gynaecologist wanted

Adding my 2-cents, I haven't used any contraception for the last 11 years, and no doctor has ever questionned my choice. I have been asked if I want something, answered that I don't and it stops there. No questions asked, on a few occasions only a short "I guess you know there is a risk of you getting pregnant" from new doctors who don't know me and that's that.

A good doctor will respect your choice when it comes to decisions that are not related to a disease. And not wanting to get pregnant is not a disease.

I don't even have the excuse of being religious, I just don't tolerate hormonal contraception well. And since I'm in a stable marriage, we could always cope with an "oups" if our planning fails.
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