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Steiner schule Zürich

Hi, is there anyone with kids at the Stainer schule in Zurich who want to share experience and opinion? It'd be for kindergarten and primary school. Thanks a lot!
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Re: Stainer schule Zürich

I think you mean the Rudolf Steiner School?

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Re: Stainer schule Zürich

Sorry. Yes I mean the Steiner (lost in translation)
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Sorry. Yes I mean the Steiner (lost in translation)
Maybe make a note to the Mod to change the subject? I've seen that there are already some posts on the Forum (use the search button).

Personally, there has been a great deal of negative press in the past years - but you need to make your own experience. My daughter went through the Montessori system, is now at Uni and the most well balanced person I've ever had the pleasure to meet.

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Maybe make a note to the Mod to change the subject? I've seen that there are already some posts on the Forum (use the search button).

Personally, there has been a great deal of negative press in the past years - but you need to make your own experience. My daughter went through the Montessori system, is now at Uni and the most well balanced person I've ever had the pleasure to meet.

All the best
Montessori is quite different than Steiner though, they are pretty much at the opposite of each other when it comes to scientific grounding. I would never send the Troll to Steiner school, but he's been going to a Montessori school for a bit over a year, and sometimes I wonder why all schools aren't like that...

Sorry, OP, don't know anything about Steiner.
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Re: Stainer schule Zürich

Thanks for your message. Is there a particular reason why you wouldn't send your kid there? If I may ask
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Re: Stainer schule Zürich

Thbaks for your thoughts. I trust you sent your daughter to a Montessori in Zurich: can I ask you which one? Thanks
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Re: Stainer schule Zürich

Hi, I think that you need to do your own research (as I did at that time). There's a lot of info available out there on the internet. There are several Montessori schools in Zürich, and can only speak very highly of the system.
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Re: Steiner schule Zürich

Don't Rudolf Steiner schools believe in Gnomes, mysticism and homeopathic farming?
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Don't Rudolf Steiner schools believe in Gnomes, mysticism and homeopathic farming?
I did some research when looking for a new school for the Troll, and basically Montessori and Steiner/Waldorf are at each end of the spectrum when it come to academic emphasis, but both put the individual needs of children at the centre of the learning process.

In short (partly copy and paste, partly our experience):

Who they were:
Montessori: an Italian doctor who wanted to develop a teaching philosophy that would give equal chances to all kids, rich or poor. She was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Steiner: an Austrian philosopher, author, social reformer, architect, and esotericist.

Academics:
Montessori: Academics (math and language) are introduced when the child shows readiness, between the ages of 3 and 4 years old. Our experience is that the teaching is very much science based. Lots of math, lots of experimenting and learning about how the world works. In our school, they have a theme they follow for the entire year. First year it was evolution, the second it was human needs and this year it is the Earth (geography and geology).
Waldorf: Academics are seen as necessary but not necessarily enjoyable and are introduced later, around 7 years of age.

Real vs. Make-Believe:
Montessori: Believe that children prefer the opportunity to do real work such as cooking, cleaning, caring for themselves, each other, and the environment rather than play make believe. Compared to his previous school, they focus a lot about being able to fix himself and be independent.
Waldorf: Early learning focuses on make-believe, fairies, arts and music. Play is viewed as the work of the young child and the magic of fantasy is an integral part of how the teacher works with the child.

Reality vs. Fantasy:
Montessori: Children need to be grounded in reality until they are able to distinguish what is real and what is fantasy. VERY! And things are said as they are, all the time. Some Montessori schools have been criticised for not fostering creativity and imagination in children. In ours they do a fair share of arts and crafts and have music (choir and instrument) on the program, but it's true that it's not an important focus area for the school. On the other hand, as a parent I find it easier to help my son's imagination at home than teaching about math and chemistry so I'd rather have it that way.
Waldorf: Fantasy and play are woven throughout the curriculum.

Materials with Purpose:
Montessori: Montessori materials are scientific didactical materials that serve a unique developmental and academic purpose. Another thing is that there aren't any toys in our school. Actually, there is very little playtime as one would qualify it. The kids have a lot of say in how their days are structured, but they work a lot and are expected to be able to concentrate for long periods of time.
Waldorf: Children are encouraged to use their imagination with the classroom materials.

Individualized vs. Group:
Montessori: Lessons and activities are individualized, especially in the early years. Our son is expected to be able to motivate himself to work and to evaluate his own progression. They do some group work if the kids initiate a group project together.
Waldorf: Early learning is group work.

We didn't consider Steiner at all once we had gathered the facts, mostly because of the lack of focus on science and math and the esoteric basis. I do see that the schools have a lot to offer to kids in terms of developing their imagination and creative streak, but I just can't go with the moon phases, theosophist thinking, anti-vaccine stance and support for homeopathy.

Call it a personal weakness, but I have a hard time pretending that I'm ok with something when I'm not; sending Junior to a Catholic school and pretend that I'm not an atheist would also be a challenge. But we have a few friends who went to Steiner and they all turned out well and have good memories of their time there.
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Re: Steiner schule Zürich

Trollemor's response matches my own research, except that the I didn't get the impression that the Steiner reps we met (Australia) really had the individual child at the centre of learning. Eg they they couldn't hide their disdain for parents who "allowed" their child to be "seduced" by the temptations of reading ahead of the Steiner schedule. Not really very child-centred or individualised for a precocious reader then...
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