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Do you have a humidifier?

I'm thinking of buying a humidifier...maybe. Do any of you have one? I see some websites recommend one, some don't, and I can't really figure out what we should do.

I wake up with a sore throat every day, I keep drinking water like I live in the Sahara, my nose has been stuffed for 3 weeks and my skin itches like crazy. The piano has started making all sort of strange noises (it obviously didn't like when the central heating system started) and my plants look unhappy. We have a very advanced ventilation system in our snobby building, but the management company has lost the user manual and we cannot adjust the built-in humidity function.

According to my indoor thermometer, the humidity level in the flat is between 25% and 35% depending on whether I do laundry that day.

Having previously lived in Western Norway, it sounds like a ridiculous contraption. I mean we spent most of our time there trying to avoid humidity, not a small feat in a town with 300 days of rain per year...that too little humidity in a house could be a problem never occurred to me.

Hence my question, will it help, or will it only create more problems? Any recommendations?
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Old 26.10.2015, 18:32
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Re: Do you have a humidifier?

You're better off asking the manufacturer for another manual as it could end up that you overly-sophisticated whole-block system simply laughs at your humidifier and sucks all the moisture out of it.
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Re: Do you have a humidifier?

If you have radiators you could try with the bowl of water on top of them. see if it makes a difference. In the end a humidifier is less then 100chf so..... We had one in when I lived in MN and it made a Huge difference (house)
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Re: Do you have a humidifier?

I wouldn't buy a humidifier but dry laundry in the flat from time to time (airing the flat out after!). Humidifiers/electricity used to run them tend to be expensive, and with bowls of water/wet towels on the heater you have to be very careful to replace frequently so that you don't end up with mildew spores/bacteria flying around.

Do you have plants? Large leafy green ones tend to drink lots of water and increase the humidity level in rooms. I like the small fountains (Zimmerbrunnen) as well, but those are a PITA to keep clean.
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Old 26.10.2015, 18:59
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You're better off asking the manufacturer for another manual
To the OP: You can find almost every manual on the web if you look well enough.

Even if the manufacturer doesn't have it, some third party installer may have uploaded it.

Buying a humidifer sounds like a SBrinz solution. Sort out your current system.
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I'm thinking of buying a humidifier...maybe. Do any of you have one? I see some websites recommend one, some don't, and I can't really figure out what we should do.

I wake up with a sore throat every day, I keep drinking water like I live in the Sahara, my nose has been stuffed for 3 weeks and my skin itches like crazy. The piano has started making all sort of strange noises (it obviously didn't like when the central heating system started) and my plants look unhappy. We have a very advanced ventilation system in our snobby building, but the management company has lost the user manual and we cannot adjust the built-in humidity function.

According to my indoor thermometer, the humidity level in the flat is between 25% and 35% depending on whether I do laundry that day.

Having previously lived in Western Norway, it sounds like a ridiculous contraption. I mean we spent most of our time there trying to avoid humidity, not a small feat in a town with 300 days of rain per year...that too little humidity in a house could be a problem never occurred to me.

Hence my question, will it help, or will it only create more problems? Any recommendations?
What's the name and possible serial number of the system? It could be somewhere in your rental contract, somewhere in a communal room in the building or in the hands of the landlord. If you post it here, we might be able to help you hunt down the manual.
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Old 26.10.2015, 19:04
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Re: Do you have a humidifier?

I've used and ultra-sound mister in the past - 50 chufs from Landi.

http://www.landi.ch/laden/deu/sortim...ista-70665?c=7

Does what it says on the can.

..... and regarding the piano, remove the front board (under the keyboard and above the pedals - usually kept in place with a couple of turn-clips) and put an open pot of water on the base, then replace the front board. We use an old teapot, without the lid.
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Having previously lived in Western Norway, it sounds like a ridiculous contraption. I mean we spent most of our time there trying to avoid humidity, not a small feat in a town with 300 days of rain per year...that too little humidity in a house could be a problem never occurred to me.
Where in Norway did you live? I used to live in Flekke in Fjaler Kommune. My son was born in Førde.

Wonderful part of the world, but you certainly don't need a humidifier...
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You're better off asking the manufacturer for another manual as it could end up that you overly-sophisticated whole-block system simply laughs at your humidifier and sucks all the moisture out of it.
Believe me, I have tried that route. Tracked down the manufacturer to be told that they only deal with professional installators. Sent an email (in German) to our lady at the management company, giving her all the information, contact number of the guy at the manufacturer, model and so forth. Got back that nobody knew how the system works and the installator has gone bust and that's that.

I think you're probably right about the system being so sophisticated it will just suck the humidity out. On the other hand, since no one is doing anything about it in the building (neighbours here are not exactly the hands-on type), I thought I'd give it a try.

The rent my husband company pays for that flat only add to the ridicule of the situation.

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If you have radiators you could try with the bowl of water on top of them. see if it makes a difference. In the end a humidifier is less then 100chf so..... We had one in when I lived in MN and it made a Huge difference (house)
No radiators. Heated floor. Unevenly heated I might add. And mighty ventilation from along the walls. Well, not walls really, we have windows from floor to ceiling all around and no walls to speak of.

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I wouldn't buy a humidifier but dry laundry in the flat from time to time (airing the flat out after!). Humidifiers/electricity used to run them tend to be expensive, and with bowls of water/wet towels on the heater you have to be very careful to replace frequently so that you don't end up with mildew spores/bacteria flying around.

Do you have plants? Large leafy green ones tend to drink lots of water and increase the humidity level in rooms. I like the small fountains (Zimmerbrunnen) as well, but those are a PITA to keep clean.
Lots of plants, and much better atmosphere on laundry days. But ours is a luxury problem, unless I grow a jungle and do laundry daily I'll have problems creating enough humidity for a 180 m2 flat with permanent ventilation.

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Old 26.10.2015, 22:08
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Do you have plants? Large leafy green ones tend to drink lots of water and increase the humidity level in rooms.
This is very true. I moved my plants indoors for the winter and the result humidity around 73%. The challenge I face is bringing it down to the 50s!
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What's the name and possible serial number of the system? It could be somewhere in your rental contract, somewhere in a communal room in the building or in the hands of the landlord. If you post it here, we might be able to help you hunt down the manual.
It's a Moeller easy 819-AC-RC. Main issue is that it is password protected. And of course no one has the friggin password, otherwise we could use the system.

Remind me to never again rent a flat with features so fancy that the management company is unable to show you how they work...

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Where in Norway did you live? I used to live in Flekke in Fjaler Kommune. My son was born in Førde.

Wonderful part of the world, but you certainly don't need a humidifier...
My husband is from Bergen, our son was born in Stavanger. We've lived mostly in Bergen while in Norway except for 4 years in Stavanger. Let's say I've become an expert in umbrella handling. And I never compain about the weather here.

Thanks everyone. Will try another email to the management company. Thinking of switching gear from polite and friendly to stern and demanding. That how my neighbours communicate with "staff" and apparently it works for them...

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Thanks everyone. Will try another email to the management company. Thinking of switching gear from polite and friendly to stern and demanding. That how my neighbours communicate with "staff" and apparently it works for them...
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It's a Moeller easy 819-AC-RC. Main issue is that it is password protected. And of course no one has the friggin password, otherwise we could use the system.

Remind me to never again rent a flat with features so fancy that the management company is unable to show you how they work...
Tell them to either provide you with the password or the name of the company which installed the ventilation system, which your landlord shall contact with a request to reset the system's password, after which he (your landlord) shall provide you with the new password.
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Tell them to either provide you with the password or the name of the company which installed the ventilation system, which your landlord shall contact with a request to reset the system's password, after which he (your landlord) shall provide you with the new password.
You make it sound easy..., but I've already tried that last winter with absolutely no result. The lady in charge is extremely polite and extremely inefficient, which I gathered (from the carpenter) is her mandate since the owner doesn't want to spend any money on the building.

Which in turn probably explain why 2 out of 7 units in the complex are empty, one of them for the last 2 years. Ours was empty for 10 months before we moved in, should have raised som red flags.

Will try again, but frankly, I have given up on the whole thing and am looking into ways to ensure comfortable indoor climate without too much hassle. We're moving at the end of June anyway, them it will be someone else's problem.
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You make it sound easy..., but I've already tried that last winter with absolutely no result. The lady in charge is extremely polite and extremely inefficient, which I gathered (from the carpenter) is her mandate since the owner doesn't want to spend any money on the building.

Which in turn probably explain why 2 out of 7 units in the complex are empty, one of them for the last 2 years. Ours was empty for 10 months before we moved in, should have raised som red flags.

Will try again, but frankly, I have given up on the whole thing and am looking into ways to ensure comfortable indoor climate without too much hassle. We're moving at the end of June anyway, them it will be someone else's problem.
Do that by registered mail, keeping a copy and add the following line: "If this issue isn't fixed by [date in (number suggested by ASLOCA) weeks], we reserve the right to pay [percentage suggested by ASLOCA] of the rent into a blocked account and to take this issue to the renter's arbitration office."

Before you do this, contact ASLOCA and ask them if your issue is grounds to reduce rent and how much time you should give your landlord to rectify the issue.
You're a member of the Zürich MV, I hope?
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Re: Do you have a humidifier?

If you are going to go out and buy a humidifier, check the hardness of your local water. If it is hard, or even if your building has water softeners, even with the better humidifiers, you may find a fine white dust on everything in your apartment.
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