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The Holy Grail of Hair - Pouffy, Shiny and Soft



Why is this so hard?

Why cant i have what i want?

Is it really so much to ask?

Is pouffery and shiny an oxymoron?

I think a combination of hard water here in my region and grey hair that i am told, and can confirm, becomes coarser is the problem.

I've had a bit of luck with this philips moisture protect hairdrier
The diffuser attachment and ioniser adds a bit of pouffery and shine
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and this acure argan oil conditioner
It adds a bit of shine and softness
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My hair at the moment is a triumph (word used loosely) of product and equipment over its natural state but its not really that shiny.

and it totally falls over after cycling for half and hour

So what are your secrets shiny haired ladies?

I dont mind if you mention products tested on animals if you dont mind outing yourselves as vain without a conscience
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Old 18.02.2016, 08:55
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Re: The Holy Grail of Hair - Pouffy, Shiny and Soft

I swear, if your location were in New York, I would nuke it
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Old 18.02.2016, 09:07
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Is that why you follow me around?
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No. Just the morning routine check
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Old 18.02.2016, 09:10
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So what are your secrets shiny haired ladies?
Feeling a little sexist today?

Although TBF my hair is neither of those things most of the time at present, due to wearing a ski helmet all day while out in the snow teaching most days.

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I dont mind if you mention products tested on animals if you dont mind outing yourselves as vain without a conscience
You're deluding yourself if you think that your chosen products were not so tested. Look at the ingredients and you'll find that many of them date back decades to when animal testing was considered quite normal, so while the finished product may not have been tested on animals, those components most certainly were.
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Old 18.02.2016, 09:40
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Feeling a little sexist today?

Although TBF my hair is neither of those things most of the time at present, due to wearing a ski helmet all day while out in the snow teaching most days.



You're deluding yourself if you think that your chosen products were not so tested. Look at the ingredients and you'll find that many of them date back decades to when animal testing was considered quite normal, so while the finished product may not have been tested on animals, those components most certainly were.
so what hair products do you use?
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Re: The Holy Grail of Hair - Pouffy, Shiny and Soft

Apple cider vinegar 50% and 50% water or you can dilute more if you think the smell is too much for you or if you think it would make your hair dry.
It makes my hair shiny and bouncy like I used to have before moving to Switzerland.
Most of the times I use a hair conditioner or a 1 minute hair mask but even if I don't use them my hair is still soft and nice because of the ACV (though, the masks or conditioner are great for thin and damaged hair).
I also apply the ACV on my itchy scalp and it calms it down and makes my scalp clean (eventhough I don't use any hair products like spray or hair powder).
Another thing to consider is to check if your hair needs protein or moisture (google and you will see how to find out and what to do).

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Old 18.02.2016, 10:54
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Re: The Holy Grail of Hair - Pouffy, Shiny and Soft

Mods, can you please move this to the First World Problems thread :P
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Re: The Holy Grail of Hair - Pouffy, Shiny and Soft

I don't expect my hair to be in top form after cycling. It is hard battling against the extremely hard water here. My husband thinks I am crazy for wanting a soft water filter, but the one on the house doesn't do much. We have bad calc in all the bathrooms after just one shower.

I had nice shiny hair using the apple cider vinegar rinse and baking soda washing option (No-poo) for a few months, but the hard water gave me a build up of minerals that would come out as grey stuff in my brush. It was gross so I had to revert to shampoo to get rid of the stuff and now my scalp is all dry and bothered again.

In general I do masks, condition, put oil in since my hair is very dry and processed at the moment, then if it needs it... I straighten it because this always makes the hair look shinier. I also try to get by just washing it once a week, twice tops to avoid drying it out further.
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Old 18.02.2016, 14:03
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Re: The Holy Grail of Hair - Pouffy, Shiny and Soft

Thanks for the acv tips everyone, i knew of it but havnt used it for forever because I have always really hated the smell, even just for the 5 minutes it lingers, is it possible to put some herb or something that changes the smell in the bottle to change the smell?
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Old 18.02.2016, 14:12
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Feeling a little sexist today?

Although TBF my hair is neither of those things most of the time at present, due to wearing a ski helmet all day while out in the snow teaching most days.



You're deluding yourself if you think that your chosen products were not so tested. Look at the ingredients and you'll find that many of them date back decades to when animal testing was considered quite normal, so while the finished product may not have been tested on animals, those components most certainly were.
I thought i'd ask ace1 first because he seems like an obvious choice to ask but please respond if you know dear shiny haired ladies.

Am i being a bit of a slacker just using the hairdryer difuser?

Should i be using a brush and the concentrator on the hair drier?

or should i throw more money at the problem and buy one of these?haarglätters

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to me they seem like short term you get shine but long term you are trashing your hair arent you?
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Old 18.02.2016, 14:34
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I don't expect my hair to be in top form after cycling. It is hard battling against the extremely hard water here. My husband thinks I am crazy for wanting a soft water filter, but the one on the house doesn't do much. We have bad calc in all the bathrooms after just one shower.

I had nice shiny hair using the apple cider vinegar rinse and baking soda washing option (No-poo) for a few months, but the hard water gave me a build up of minerals that would come out as grey stuff in my brush. It was gross so I had to revert to shampoo to get rid of the stuff and now my scalp is all dry and bothered again.

In general I do masks, condition, put oil in since my hair is very dry and processed at the moment, then if it needs it... I straighten it because this always makes the hair look shinier. I also try to get by just washing it once a week, twice tops to avoid drying it out further.
I came across this in my search i dont know if it will help you but it also is argan oil based and is very highly reviewed on amazon
lots of pictures of damaged hair all soft and shiny!
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I have tried to get away from the detergenty type shampoos and am using this natures plus bar soap that can also be used as shampoo, its not perfect but its not that much worse that the bottle shampoos and works better than the rassoul earth based methods. It does i think take the colour out of your hair quicker imo I still have to try the soap nut based shampoos and see if that works for me.

here are two videos from a nice german girl who tested a number of the no poo methods, the rassoul earth ones and indian herb ones.





if you have no german, in summary they dont work very well for various reasons, either the greasy hair isnt cleaned properly or the hair gets greasier faster afterwards or you have to use two methods to get a good result. i have to agree with her, i've tried the three 'earth' methods
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Old 18.02.2016, 14:51
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Re: The Holy Grail of Hair - Pouffy, Shiny and Soft

I don't know what she uses, but when I've been brave enough to venture into the salon of my village hairdresser, she works her magic, and sends me out with super puffy, super shiny hair - something akin to Farah Fawcett - which is quite miraculous given I usually have a short version of Wednesday (Addams Family) hair (but grungy from the motorcycle helmet).

It's so fluffy and bouncy and full of god knows what that I'm still Farah Fawcett-ing about for 3 days later!

That hairdresser has an open fireplace in the salon (probably to hide the smell of her ducking out for ciggie breaks every 5 minutes) and has a heavy hand with schnapps for her favourite customers, which accounts for why I have no idea what magic she's working whilst I'm sipping and snoozing.
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Old 18.02.2016, 17:52
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so what hair products do you use?
Normal shampoo and conditioner, but I almost never blow dry, certainly never use tongs or whatever those things you pictured are.
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Re: The Holy Grail of Hair - Pouffy, Shiny and Soft

I often use an Argon Oil based shampoo - and I always condition. Do you use heat protection product before you blowdry etc? Redken Anti Snap is excellent (and lightweight) as are Label M products, but I've not found those over here (admittedly I've not looked, either...) Heat hurts hair, as does vigorous brushing. I'm in no way saying there's anything wrong with greying hair but have you considered a dye? That's often how ladies (and gents) get the shine - nothing to do with shampoo or water.


Redken Guts 10 (I think it's called) is fabulous for volume and lift. It's basically a spray mousse that can get right at the roots.
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So what are your secrets shiny haired ladies?
Youth? Good genes? Not sure you can get products to help you with those, though.

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Personally, I find baby seal blubber works a treat.
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Old 18.02.2016, 18:35
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Re: The Holy Grail of Hair - Pouffy, Shiny and Soft

Shiny, soft, pouffy hair is totally possible. I get it every time I get out of the country. All I need is some bloody different water. No expensive products.

A nice trip to the hairdresser also helps, but only until I wash it again...
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Old 18.02.2016, 19:46
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Please tell me you don't know what pouffe means in French!
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Re: The Holy Grail of Hair - Pouffy, Shiny and Soft

If you're willing to spend a little more than you would on a big brand product, Kerastase products are pretty amazing and there are a number of volumising products that they offer.

You can search for a salon that is an authorised seller, and usually one of the hairdressers can help as they have been trained in the product use.

Or maybe I'm a sucker for the sales technique and my hair looks like poop /s
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