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My last visit to the dentist for de-scaling plus an X-ray cost CHF120. I don't consider this to be expensive. In fact, I don't think I have ever had a bill for more than CHF250/350, and this was for root canal work. Everything is relative, the cost of living is higher in Switzerland than most other countries, but then salaries, generally speaking, are higher. I would never, ever consider seeking medical treatment of any kind outside of Switzerland.
We still go to the UK for dental check-ups and work. Because we've known our dentist for a very long time and trust him entirely. But I am pretty sure the cost is higher than stated above. Personally I would really hesitate to go and have difficult dental work done in a country I don't know - NOT because the dentist's qualification and experience are poorer, as stated above, but in case of any difficulty, adjustments required, infection, etc. If I had to go back to UK for any of those, no prob, quick, cheap flight and friends and family there. But I just wouldn't relish having to fly back to, say, Bulgaria, where I don't know the language, don't have family, etc, in case things go wrong. And of course this x 100000 for any kind of surgery.

What would happen btw, as regards CH medical insurance, if you have to have medical/hospital treatment in CH should things not go well?
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Hi, just to add my experience on implants and root canal work. I had implants and bone grafts in Dublin by a US trained specialist dentist. It is quite major surgery, particularly the bone grafts , and requires numerous visits and checkups. I can't see how it would be wise to get this kind of work done abroad, necessarily in a rush. And I am not sure how a Hungarian or other eastern European dentist could have the relevant training , unless s/he had trained abroad. A minor procedure is a different story of course.
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Old 14.01.2011, 20:52
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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

I just wanted to let people know about what I went through in case others have the same problem.

I have tri or bifurcated roots- where people normally have 2 root I have a tree system. A dentist in Switzerland (fresh out of dental school) thought that he had done a proper root canal, but missed a couple of roots, that aren't there normally, hidden on regular X-rays. Consequently I ended up living with an abscess which he called a gum infection for about a year, the abscess eroded some of my jaw bone. I eventually had to have the tooth pulled, the bone rebuilt and an implant.

My regular dentist (he's great!) did one root canal ( I had to keep going back for him to get al the roots) it was pretty exhausting for him and me, now he sends me to endondotist who has the powerful microscope.

So last summer I had another abscess and another root canal. I have no dental decay. I bite too hard and wreck the roots or have accidents. In November I thought I had another asbcess. I was recommended to an endodontist for another root canal the abscess was seen on Xray, but then my dentist wasn't convinced, the 3 weeks of antibiotics and 12 Ibuprofen a day had not relieved the pain. He redid the Xrays and said that he couldn't see any abscess.

I found a Harvard trained endodontist, who was really rough, but told me that I bite and grind my teeth, I also have TMJ- it is so painful. He saved me a lot of expense, (antibiotics and endodontists are expensive), but now I have to wear a gum shield, which drives me nuts at night, to prevent further problems.


So it is always worth getting a second opinion, dentists vary so much.
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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

As I said in a previous post, after reading all your positive stories about going to Budapest for dental treatment,I had decided to go there and get the implant process started off.I've now been over and thought anyone else thinking about doing the same might be interested to hear about my experience.

Because I was getting implants, www.haifadent.hu (Where I was originally thinking of going) recommended that I use www.jokaidental.hu/en instead,where they are better set up to deal with surgical work. (This was all arranged by the one of the receptionists at the apartments we were staying at BEFORE we went over.)

I must admit that I was pretty scared at the thought of what was going to happen, it wasn't the thought of the pain () so much as what I was going to be left with in my upper jaw, tooth-wise, after he's put in the six implants. Visions of walking around with a huge gap for the next six months were only erased by drinking copious amounts of red wine/G&T etc. etc.

Anyway my doctor was brilliant.....spoke perfect english, explained everything beforehand and was as gentle as he could be while cutting open gums and screwing the implants in with a ratchet screwdriver.(I kid you not!) And it really wasn't as painful as I thought it was going to be. If the pain of childbirth is a 10, then getting implants in is a 5.....on my scale.(Sorry boys, you'll just have to imagine.)

I was given anti-biotics and painkillers and spent the next couple of days when not sightseeing, sitting on a settee watching DVDs (free from the apartment reception) with a bag of frozen peas pressed to my face. The dentist told me to drink red wine to replace the blood I lost, which was great, if I could only have stopped it dribbling out the side of my mouth.

A couple of days after the operation I went back to see the dentist and he produced my old partial denture, which had previously had three teeth on it and now had six to 'fill in the blanks' at the front of my mouth. The Hungarian technicians had managed to do this in two days.....and one of THEM was a sunday.

I must admit that my face, even though I'd used the peas, still swelled up, and poor Mr.P got some very dirty looks on our way back to CH. It took about a week for the bruising to go away, and I had my stitches out in Baden yesterday. The dentist here said that everything was looking fine.(Well there's lucky!)

All in all it was a very positive experience. The dentist couldn't be faulted, the apartment was great and Budapest is such a beautiful city that I'm really forward to going back there in September for two weeks when the real teeth will be screwed in.

I hope that this can help anyone else who's thinking about going to Budapest for their implants. If the treatment is anything as good as I received it's a no-brainer. Go on and do it!
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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

Thanks for the feedback! I am so happy your visit went well! I am always scared of recommending something and then have it not work out for the people who took my advice!

Did you go on their subway? I found it absolutely frighting! Like a roller coaster ride! Not to mention the steepest escalators I have ever seen!

Budapest is really a beautiful place and to be able to combine it with a new smile is brilliant!
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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

I know the feeling....usually every time I recommend something to someone it turns out to be the opposite to what I experienced.

We didn't go on the subway (hearing your description maybe that was no bad thing!) but hopped on trams a couple of times. The rest of the time we walked and also took the 'Hop-on-Hop-off' tourist bus.....such great value AND a free boat trip thrown in.

The www.locusttreeapartments.com/ were everything you said they'd be. Unfortunately we didn't get to meet Peter.
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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

Hi,
After working in dentistry for 30+ years, in five countries and four languages, I suppose I have adequate qualifications and experience to give you advice. The equipment and language of dentistry may appear the same in every country, but I assure you it is NOT. In fact, even within the so-called first rate countries, dentistry is not the same from office to office! Sorry, I know this makes this topic complicated.

I have personally treated patients returning from these "dental holidays" and have also shed tears with them. It is not always a happy ending.

My best advice is to be pro-active in your preventive care. For example:
1) regular check ups
2) routine dental hygiene (ALWAYS insist on professional DH)
3) Floss daily
4) Ask for cost estimate before any treatment
5) Ask for second opinion, if you have doubts
6) Don't smoke (sorry)

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Hi,
After working in dentistry for 30+ years, in five countries and four languages, I suppose I have adequate qualifications and experience to give you advice. The equipment and language of dentistry may appear the same in every country, but I assure you it is NOT. In fact, even within the so-called first rate countries, dentistry is not the same from office to office! Sorry, I know this makes this topic complicated.

I have personally treated patients returning from these "dental holidays" and have also shed tears with them. It is not always a happy ending.

My best advice is to be pro-active in your preventive care. For example:
1) regular check ups
2) routine dental hygiene (ALWAYS insist on professional DH)
3) Floss daily
4) Ask for cost estimate before any treatment
5) Ask for second opinion, if you have doubts
6) Don't smoke (sorry)

Good luck!
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After working in dentistry for 30+ years, in five countries and four languages, I suppose I have adequate qualifications and experience to give you advice: [shit is different; look after your teeth; don't smoke]
Very insightful and helpful information. Thirty years well spent.

Unless one needs major work done, such as several implants, or at least four or five veneers, how much could one possibly save going the dental tourist route? Two veneers will apparently cost chf 3000 here. I'd imagine they're at least 500-800 in thailand, but it'll cost around 1500 for the flight, and then you'll easily blow another thousand on drugs, prostitutes, cigarettes, and dental floss. Not worth it unless whatever you need is going to be five figures here.

Then of course, as others have pointed out, there's the risk of complications.
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More about Veneers here
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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

I went to Budapest 6 years ago to get a root canal and to pull out 2 wisdom teeth. It would have cost CHF 2000 to do here. I went through a Swiss company that organised everything and gives you a 5 year guarantee on the work done. If there is any complications in 5 years they pay for it to be fixed in Switzerland.
I got a trip to Budapest for 5 days and the dental work for about CHF1000.
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Once again, says it all in the thread title. Husband and daughter need a check up and we are reluctant to spend the cost of a two week holiday on their gobs. I wondered if anybody had been abroad (either France or Germany or Italy) or eastern Europe. I once read that dentists were skilled and cheapish in Budapest.
Look forward to your answers, we have seriously considered going to Bangkok for a couple of weeks to get teeth seen to.
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He is young, but surprisingly focused and experienced and very good. I have taken to calling him Dr. Pedant...as he is such perfectionist. Actually, very happy to have found him as he is a good match for my clientele and my expectations. Thanks for asking.

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Very insightful and helpful information. Thirty years well spent.

Unless one needs major work done, such as several implants, or at least four or five veneers, how much could one possibly save going the dental tourist route? Two veneers will apparently cost chf 3000 here. I'd imagine they're at least 500-800 in thailand, but it'll cost around 1500 for the flight, and then you'll easily blow another thousand on drugs, prostitutes, cigarettes, and dental floss. Not worth it unless whatever you need is going to be five figures here.

Then of course, as others have pointed out, there's the risk of complications.
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Thank you to i-b-deborah, oscarsmum, Cybersuz, and all of the other members for all of you information regarding this thread. I am currently planning a trip to Budapest at the end of March based on all of the information you all have provided and i will provide any information i can to this thread regarding my experience. I am in the process of getting in contact with the dentists now, its between Haifa Dent and Jokai Dental. I am awaiting their responses and will keep you all updated as time goes on. Thank you all again! - Frank
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Good luck! Enjoy yourself when you can. It's the perfect excuse to get a day trip on the tourist bus, with a free river trip included. Hopefully your dentist will be right next to a supermarket, so you can buy your frozen peas immediately.
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Hi there

I am from Budapest and can confirm that dentist indeed are very well trained there. I never had any problems when having my teeth done and it is certainly a fraction of the price there. So can only recommend it.
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Update: March 12, 2011

Regarding my dental intervention I have been in contact with both Haifa Dent and Jokai Dental via E-Mail over the past 2 weeks regarding the details of my trip so i can decide when i want to come and for how many days. My first pick was Jokai Dental seeing as i was under the impression that i will need dental implants and they are more "surgically capable".

Jokai Dental suggested if i wanted "detailed information" i should send them some x-rays. So i went to Swiss-Smile in Zurich HB and got some x-rays taken. The x-rays cost me 107chf for a "full set". The rather nice dentist also informed me that i do not need implants (from her point of view) but i do need 6 cavities to be filled and 1 root canal. I asked her how much the procedures would cost here and she said at least 600chf per cavity and at least 1400 for the root canal. So in total that would be 5,000+chf to get the procedures done there.

Over the course of the following week there were major communication difficulties with Jokai Dental. I am not sure if it is a language barrier or technical issues, but it just became too frustrating in the end to try and continue communication.

After this experience i contacted Haifa Dent by e-mail. I sent them my questions regarding how long my trip would need to be and also sent them along a copy of my x-rays. Within hours i recieved an e-mail back saying that my x-rays did not come in the e-mail, so i did re send them and called them the next day via Skype. When i called i was passed on to 3 different assistants, none of which spoke English but were very polite, and finally to Dr Mohammad Aslim. He was a very nice man and speaks very good English. He told me that my dental procedures would take between 7-10 days.

I have now booked my flight From Zurich to Budapest from 29.03.11 to 09.04.11 through Malev Hungarian Airlines at www.Malev.com for 237 USD with the option to change my flight days, so if i am done early or need more time there will be no consequences in changing my flight. They actually had the same flight for 187 USD but it did not come with the option to be able to change my flight.

The interesting thing is that www.Kayak.com and many other travel sites did not bring up Malev Airlines in any of their searches and that Malev is WAY cheaper than Swiss Air (in my case). My wife will be joining me from 30.03.11 until 04.04.11 and in her case Swiss air was cheaper 205 USD.

My next step is to book my apartment/hotel. I plan to stay at Nova Apartments and book it through www.OnlyRooms.com, and at the moment for 10 nights it is 418 EU (550 USD) NOT BAD !!!

Again thank`s to all for your information, i will keep you updated as i see necessary.
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I'm glad you got it sorted out in the end.....I must admit the receptionists grasp of english isn't that good.....then again, my Hungarian is non-existent! You'll be glad to know the dentists speak excellent english in both of the surgeries you mentioned. It can be really frustrating trying to organise it from so far away, but definitely worth it in the end.

Interesting to hear about the other airline...I must try that for our trip back in September.

Another confusing thing is that Locust Tree Apts and the Nova Hotel are both the same place, and literally just across the raod from the Haifadent surgery.

I hope it goes well for you when you eventually get over there.
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