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Old 11.06.2012, 17:47
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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

Love to hear about your experiences, especially from the original threads. I can certainly understand how patients might be tempted to go to Hungary or Thailand. In the end, it depends upon the individual professional. Unfortunately, I have seen too many poorly made implants/crowns, with very bad margins, thus leading to gum problems.

Additionally, take care with the color and size of the actual crowns. There is a big difference between those which look natural, and those which do not.

For example:
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AnteriorPorcelainCrowns2.jpg

Funny enough, this photo is from USA, but I think they look awful...considering how bad are the rest of the teeth, it might have been safer to be less perfect....The gums also look healthier around the ugly teeth....notice how the gums come up to a point between the teeth...this is important....on the bridge, they are straight across...

There is also a GREAT website called Justanswer.com where you can ask a dentist about your questions. It is pretty good....

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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

Thanks for recommending trindadent.

Dr. Rui is now top on my list. He gave me advise that many had misled me to think my teeth were beyond saving and require complicated surgeries. Highly recommended for those who require a second opinion and as a consultant.

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Dorow Clinic in Waldshut-Tiengen

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www.dorow-clinic.de

Thats my clinic, and they're fantastic! Expensive for german standards but about half of what you pay in switzerland...

If your going to Prague, I Highly recommend Trinadent!
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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

Last week I had a frantic call from a fellow English Forum member, as she was still in pain, one month after the completion of her dentistry in Hungary. She and her partner had seen a highly recommended dentist and had all their treatment done in one go....


Results: DISASTROUS

For a non professional the crowns may look okay, but as a profession I saw her future with the loss of these teeth and therefore unnecessary costs and pain. The crowns were BULKY, anchored together ( no one does this anymore....prohibits proper flossing and hygiene) and had completely destroyed her inter-dental papillae

The gums should look like this:
http://www.google.ch/imgres?imgurl=h...d=0CCMQMygAMAA

Unfortunately, they looked like this:
http://www.google.ch/imgres?imgurl=h...CAsQMygDMAM4ZA

( I know this is an implant, but it is the closest to how this patient's new crowns looked...completely obliterated the interdental gums...)

Sorry if these images disturb you, but it breaks my heart to see patients suffering.

If you want to save money invest in prevention. My suggestions:

1. Visit a board certified Dental Hygienist ( DH, NOT PA) 1-2 times per year. ( few European countries have them!)

2.. Find the best dentist you can find! Believe me you shall receive better advice and better treatment, which will help you save your teeth and your money.

These are my conclusions after 35 (!) years as a Dental Hygienist in five countries and four languages.
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Last week I had a frantic call from a fellow English Forum member, as she was still in pain, one month after the completion of her dentistry in Hungary. She and her partner had seen a highly recommended dentist and had all their treatment done in one go....





Results: DISASTROUS



For a non professional the crowns may look okay, but as a profession I saw her future with the loss of these teeth and therefore unnecessary costs and pain. The crowns were BULKY, anchored together ( no one does this anymore....prohibits proper flossing and hygiene) and had completely destroyed her inter-dental papillae



The gums should look like this:

http://www.google.ch/imgres?imgurl=h...d=0CCMQMygAMAA



Unfortunately, they looked like this:

http://www.google.ch/imgres?imgurl=h...CAsQMygDMAM4ZA



( I know this is an implant, but it is the closest to how this patient's new crowns looked...completely obliterated the interdental gums...)



Sorry if these images disturb you, but it breaks my heart to see patients suffering.



If you want to save money invest in prevention. My suggestions:



1. Visit a board certified Dental Hygienist ( DH, NOT PA) 1-2 times per year. ( few European countries have them!)



2.. Find the best dentist you can find! Believe me you shall receive better advice and better treatment, which will help you save your teeth and your money.



These are my conclusions after 35 (!) years as a Dental Hygienist in five countries and four languages.

My friend is a dental hygienist here and the dentist running her practice does a lot of corrections for people who go outside of CH thinking they can save money. She says they get a LOT of disasters like you described above.
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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

At our practice we have also seen a dozen patients with pretty bad dental work that was done in Hungary. But, in all fairness, we have also seen examples of bad dentistry done here in Switzerland and from Germany and from the US (the worst example being a patient who came in swollen and in severe pain; turned out the $7k-per-procedure root-canal specialist she had visited in NY failed to find a 4th root canal, which promptly inflamed!) So we completely agree with Susan's recommendation: ask around, check credentials and select the best dentist you can find. Dentistry isn't a commodity; quality can vary significantly.
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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

We are really scared of choosing a dentist here in Zurich. Back in the Netherlands we have a great (expensive) dentist who we followed when she moved from one city to another!

Is there an special review website or should we rely on the recommendations of others in the area?
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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

There is a website in German, http://dentist.zahnarztvergleich.ch/ - if you pick Zurich area, it will give you a list of dentists with reviews (however, not for every doctor).

I'm looking for a good doctor myself... Having lived in CH for 10 years now, I've had quite different experiences with Swiss dentists. Some of them were OK, some - a pure disaster (unable to pull a tooth or having old-fashioned equipment which broke in the middle of the treatment). I think, to find a dentist here is somewhat of a Russian roulette, since you never know how good they are before they actually start working on your problems...
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My Hungarian dentistry, which includes an implant, is years old and has NEVER caused me any problems.

I am not recommending that anyone go to Hungary, but I have had great experiences there, and saved loads of money at the same time. On the other hand, the reason I go there is because of the atrocious work I had done at the hands of incompetant swiss dentists over a 2 year period. I have posted details with names and places before, that were deleted by mods, but anyone can PM me for details of the crap work I had done here. I'll be only too happy to name and shame.

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Last week I had a frantic call from a fellow English Forum member, as she was still in pain, one month after the completion of her dentistry in Hungary. She and her partner had seen a highly recommended dentist and had all their treatment done in one go....


Results: DISASTROUS

For a non professional the crowns may look okay, but as a profession I saw her future with the loss of these teeth and therefore unnecessary costs and pain. The crowns were BULKY, anchored together ( no one does this anymore....prohibits proper flossing and hygiene) and had completely destroyed her inter-dental papillae

The gums should look like this:
http://www.google.ch/imgres?imgurl=h...d=0CCMQMygAMAA

Unfortunately, they looked like this:
http://www.google.ch/imgres?imgurl=h...CAsQMygDMAM4ZA

( I know this is an implant, but it is the closest to how this patient's new crowns looked...completely obliterated the interdental gums...)

Sorry if these images disturb you, but it breaks my heart to see patients suffering.

If you want to save money invest in prevention. My suggestions:

1. Visit a board certified Dental Hygienist ( DH, NOT PA) 1-2 times per year. ( few European countries have them!)

2.. Find the best dentist you can find! Believe me you shall receive better advice and better treatment, which will help you save your teeth and your money.

These are my conclusions after 35 (!) years as a Dental Hygienist in five countries and four languages.
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My friend is a dental hygienist here and the dentist running her practice does a lot of corrections for people who go outside of CH thinking they can save money. She says they get a LOT of disasters like you described above.
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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

We go there since many years:
http://www.drschmidt.de/
in Konstanz, very mordern Praxis.

This Praxis in Konstanz seems also to be good:
http://www.drhager.com/ueber-uns/innovationen/
and they have a Praxis beyond the border at Schaffhausen.
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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

My cousin who lived in Breisach, a small town near Freiburg (DE) recommended me his dentist: http://www.zahnarzt-ober.de/

Was there 2 weeks ago, happy with the service. The seem to be pretty popular though - unless its an emergency, you have to wait about 2 months for an appointment. Not sure about the price - the send an invoice at your home address.
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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

Dear all, pushing this thread for some advice on dentistry. I think i need around 4 implants and crowns in the upper bad part of my mouth.

Have all of those in Hungary been happy with their treatment after these years?

I am thinking to maybe go to my swiss dentist for a quote and to get the X-rays then hopefully I will be set to see how much the cost or saving will be.

I had two implants and crowns in switzerland before and they cost me 8000chf, I am not really in the mood to spend so much again
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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

Vik,


It is impossible to give advice with so little information. How do you know you need 4 implants?


Whatever it is that you need done, it sounds that it is major enough where you need someone with a specialty in dental prosthetics to take a look. The planning is often the key, as you want it to last for many, many years, but without breaking the bank.


I can recommend our practice, but that would be self-promotion. That aside, I would recommend you check options both in Switzerland and abroad. Big part of the cost will be the supra-construction (i.e. the stuff on top of the implant that you will be chewing on), so inquire whether the dentist in Switzerland works with foreign dental labs (which will lower the cost). The selection of the dentist is hard - we have seen plenty of horror stories from Swiss and foreign dentists alike (there are success stories as well). Don't rely too much on advertisements of quality guarantees from many dentists abroad as those are unenforceable. If you can, find where the dentist was educated. Also, if you are reading reviews, keep in mind that a clinic does not equal dentist - i.e. clinics have a churn of dentists; one clinic can have a good dentist for a few months, but the next dentist that comes in can be a very different story.


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From dental denstinations- two are becoming more popular- Hungary and Poland. Unfortunately I do not know much details for Hungary, but the number especially Germans who go on holiday plus dental services in Poland is rapidly growing. Germans are usually very demanding patients, so we can assume the dental service in Poland should be at high level.
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I used to leave in Prague and had an amazing dentist there - http://www.bio-dent.cz/. They are 2 brothers, i used to go to Alexander, but his younger brother is great too. They both speak English.
We had so many friends going there from Switzerland, Russia, Germany and the UK and all had no problems and were more than happy with quality
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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

We had an interesting case this morning related to dental tourism.
In late January 2015 we gave an estimate to a Swiss female patient for 6.8k CHF for the upper jaw. Her case is fairly complex; the estimate included 1 tooth extraction, 1 root canal (to attempt to save one tooth) and two implants, with three crowns as the supra-construction. The estimate included the cost for the crowns from a Swiss dental lab.
The patient had read an article in a Swiss magazine about dental tourism touting Macedonia as the cheapest option. There was also an ad from a Macedonian clinic. So she booked a trip to Macedonia in June and stayed there for two weeks until the treatment was finished.
The Macedonian clinic gave her an estimate that was just shy of 5k CHF to ‘reconstruct her entire upper jaw.’ The estimate wasn’t detailed. The doctor was a good salesman, told her she would be thrilled with the result. She agreed to be treated. The prosthetics plan the Macedonian doctor came up with was quite different than ours. Instead of attempting to save that one tooth, he pulled it, along with the other we had also planned on removing … and pulled 4 more teeth that were not in our plan. Then he put two gigantic bridges. No implants.
When the patient saw herself in the mirror, she did not like the result and made her displeasure known. She was told their work was excellent, that they were surprised she is unhappy with the result and that for them to do anything else they would need substantially more time; and it will be for an additional cost. Having a plane to catch that day, the patient left it at that.
Two days later she came in for an appointment with us and asked Deniza (Dr. Uzunova) to ‘fix the bridges to make them look better, but she didn’t want new bridges because she has already paid for these.’ Not possible. Aesthetics wasn’t the only problem – the dentist clearly wasn’t a prostetics specialist, as structurally his concept was weak.
The patient came in for an emergency appointment this morning. The ceramics on one of the bridges cracked and fell off from the metal base. It is only 2 months old. Deniza fixed it, but it is only a temporary solution. It will crack again, as will the ceramics on the other bridge. And it is likely that within a year the bridges will start cracking the teeth supporting them. It would be good if they last a year.
The patient told us she is not going back to the clinic in Macedonia. The bad outcome aside, if the 3k CHF she spent on travel and stay for the 2 weeks were added to the 5k CHF cost of the procedure, she actually spent more than the cost for the work to be done in Switzerland… though arguably she got utility from that spending as this can be viewed as vacation.
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I will be going back to Hungary to the same dentist who gave me an implant, that has caused me no trouble, almost 5 years ago. I will be replacing a bbridge with an implant and what ever else needs doing. I will post again after my visit, and let you know if I am still happy with their work.
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We had an interesting case this morning related to dental tourism.
In late January 2015 we gave an estimate to a Swiss female patient for 6.8k CHF for the upper jaw. Her case is fairly complex; the estimate included 1 tooth extraction, 1 root canal (to attempt to save one tooth) and two implants, with three crowns as the supra-construction. The estimate included the cost for the crowns from a Swiss dental lab.
The patient had read an article in a Swiss magazine about dental tourism touting Macedonia as the cheapest option. There was also an ad from a Macedonian clinic. So she booked a trip to Macedonia in June and stayed there for two weeks until the treatment was finished.
The Macedonian clinic gave her an estimate that was just shy of 5k CHF to ‘reconstruct her entire upper jaw.’ The estimate wasn’t detailed. The doctor was a good salesman, told her she would be thrilled with the result. She agreed to be treated. The prosthetics plan the Macedonian doctor came up with was quite different than ours. Instead of attempting to save that one tooth, he pulled it, along with the other we had also planned on removing … and pulled 4 more teeth that were not in our plan. Then he put two gigantic bridges. No implants.
When the patient saw herself in the mirror, she did not like the result and made her displeasure known. She was told their work was excellent, that they were surprised she is unhappy with the result and that for them to do anything else they would need substantially more time; and it will be for an additional cost. Having a plane to catch that day, the patient left it at that.
Two days later she came in for an appointment with us and asked Deniza (Dr. Uzunova) to ‘fix the bridges to make them look better, but she didn’t want new bridges because she has already paid for these.’ Not possible. Aesthetics wasn’t the only problem – the dentist clearly wasn’t a prostetics specialist, as structurally his concept was weak.
The patient came in for an emergency appointment this morning. The ceramics on one of the bridges cracked and fell off from the metal base. It is only 2 months old. Deniza fixed it, but it is only a temporary solution. It will crack again, as will the ceramics on the other bridge. And it is likely that within a year the bridges will start cracking the teeth supporting them. It would be good if they last a year.
The patient told us she is not going back to the clinic in Macedonia. The bad outcome aside, if the 3k CHF she spent on travel and stay for the 2 weeks were added to the 5k CHF cost of the procedure, she actually spent more than the cost for the work to be done in Switzerland… though arguably she got utility from that spending as this can be viewed as vacation.
To be honest the cost you quoted including two implants seems very reasonable.
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Re: Dentists abroad. Anybody ever used and can recommend one outside of Switzerland

I use these guys:
DR. HORVATH – DENTAL CLINIC IN JESTETTEN
http://www.drhorvath.de/en/

Family run business, just over the boarder from Eglisau. Not sure if they are any cheaper than Swiss dentists, but they are really really good. All the latest equipment, and technology, including 3D scanners and printers. Everyone super friendly and speak English.

I had not been to the dentist for years, and needed quite a bit of work done, including pulling a tooth and replacing with a bridge + broken tooth + loose fillings + a couple of cavities. Went ca. 10 times, at a cost of ca. CHF 6000.00. Everything explained beforehand and invoices very detailed. Highly recommended.
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I'm back and bilaterally masticating once more.

I ended up getting a permenant bridge rather than the implant, I had only guessed that's what he'd do but he went with the bridge option. (He never tries to push unneccessary work down anyones throat.)

Old bridge removal, new one made, exray, 2 root canals, 2 big fillings and a damn good scrubbing. All for 1,315 euro. And the work was done in 3 appointments over a 8 day period.

His practice is called Hontident in Hungary. His name is Bela Honti and he works with his sister. He has worked in other european countries so is up to date with the latest procedures.

One thing to note, he is fast and it can get a bit stressful all happening so fast and he's not as gentle as our guys, although having said that, under heavy handed swiss dentists I have suffered the most. He got a bit of glue on my gum, and it caused an ulcer, it wasn't too painful but I thought I'd mention it.

And Budapest is a lovely place to visit!
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