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adhd its real

hi all,6 months ago i was diognosed with adhd,after all these years i had found the answear to my screwed life and now the last 45 years of my life seem wasted and insignificant,every day now is a new challange,full of ups and downs,nothing is what it was,i am taking ritalin 30mg per day,its the most aggresive but proggresive drug i have been on,it really has changed me and my day to day life,my son was diognosed at 4 years old in the uk,all went well in the uk with education and so on,3 years ago we moved back to switzerland for our famly here,what we couldnt see was the swiss social workers had no real understanding about adhd and pretty soon our son then aged 15 started to fall though the system,lots of police problems,stealing, drugs ect,the result was that in august last year our son died aged just 17 of aggresive pnumonia,the social workers admited they hadnt done enough to help and that more should have been done, and now will research and study more into the world of adhd,somehow to me it seems a little to late,any commennts anyone? foxx
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Re: adhd its real

I just read your (2009) entry. I was diagnosed 3 yrs ago at age 50. Knowing what ADHD is about does help make some sense of a shit life.
However I didn't find out untill after my beautiful 17 year old daughter in 2009 lay down on the train tracks and took her own life.

There are people out there who claim ADHD doesn't exist. Even those who have some understanding of ADHD don't realise people die because of it.

I wish you well on your journey to understanding ADHD and making some sense of your life as I am trying to do with mine.

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Old 29.01.2013, 08:55
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Anyone who claims ADHD doesn't exist, has not worked with early primary schoolers. It's so obvious when you see children that simply cannot still their bodies, and they cannot still their thoughts either...
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Old 29.01.2013, 09:04
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Re: adhd its real

Why don't those that do have experience with this post links to the resources that they do know exist and have worked in order that others in the forum may benefit from their experience. I'm sure it could help a lot of people!
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Re: adhd its real

Having been diagnosed with this WAY back in the mid 80's (as a kid), I was not sure why the shrinks and my parents were making such a fuss. At the time is was an up and coming disorder. And in hindsight, I'm not so certain that I should have been treated as I was. I do not doubt that I exhibited all of the behaviors associated with the disorder. To this day, I still have or show the majority of the "symptoms". However, my contention is that the major causes for my diagnosis was no fault of my own. There were numerous environmental reasons for me to be exhibiting the behaviors that I did. What was interesting in my experience is that my assorted combination of parents thought that they were doing their best by seeking an answer of why I was the way that I was. What they should have been doing was reflecting upon themselves and honestly evaluating the home environment that they had created. Now, as I have had decades to reflect on my own experience, I can honestly say that an individual may manifest the symptoms, but that individual may likely be responding to their environment more so than to flawed genetics.

I certainly acknowledge that ADHD exists. More precisely, I agree that there are certain behaviors that can be collectively described as ADHD. More or less I consider ADHD as a box that contains a certain grouping of "flaws" that seems to require a label to explain away how or why people act in the manner that they do. However, I do not acknowledge that it is an affliction that requires medication. If the doctors were correct in diagnosing me, than I can assure you that I figured out how to beat this.

To this day I still exhibit many of the "symptoms" and I have been able to figure out how to use these so called weaknesses to my advantage. Believe me...I drive my friends and wife crazy with how intense I can be at times. In general, I am far from conventional. The hyperactive, restless mind is a powerful tool once one learns how to channel that energy. I honestly consider those who have not yet mastered their ADHD as untapped powerhouses of brilliance. Im not suggesting that there is a blanket cure for every case...but there certainly is a way that each person can begin to sort through the puzzle pieces.

If anyone would like to talk...I am here for you.
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Old 29.01.2013, 10:35
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Re: adhd its real

Must resist temptation........

All those with social and focus issues, I only encourage you to find the root of your problem, and try to avoid medication if at all possible.

Good luck.
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Must resist temptation........

All those with social and focus issues, I only encourage you to find the root of your problem, and try to avoid medication if at all possible.

Good luck.
I agree, try the rhyming proven adversary of pharmacology, Meditation.
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The OP hasn't been back since May 2009.

Probably got distracted.
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The OP hasn't been back since May 2009.

Probably got distracted.
You just couldn't resist, could you?
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Re: adhd its real

I keep harping on this but it's important. Nutrition can help a lot in many conditions that affect the brain. Some people have problems absorbing some things from food and may become deficient. Neurotransmitters are made from amino acids. Some neurotransmitters are inhibitory, others excitatory.

If you increase the precursors of some of these neurotransmitters, you may increase their concentration in the body and the brain. The precursors of the inhibitory neurotransmitters are the amino acids GABA, L-tryptophan, taurine, and cysteine. You can buy most of these at your local drugstore. They have been shown to decrease anxiety and depression in some people, although which amino acid helps you depends on the type of neurotransmitter you may be lacking. Google them and try them to see which ones can help you.
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The OP hasn't been back since May 2009.

Probably got distracted.
Dopey and others are still here though.
I have no experience of adhd, but my sister works with children who have this and other problems, and from what she has said to me about it makes me feel for those of you here.
I think that medication works for some, but not all.
I am so sad for you dopey, that you lost your daughter in such a tragic way.
I wish you well.
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Old 29.01.2013, 12:12
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I think that medication works for some, but not all.
My experience with the medications was that it was a give an take scenario. You might gain some focus on the meds....but it was at the price of feeling like a zombie. I really think that those who have ADHD with an occurrence of mild depression SHOULD NOT be on meds at all. It only felt like the hole was getting deeper in my case. Im sure others feel the same.

Sure the meds may stop the "fireworks" in the head, but it will always be at the expense of anything else that is enjoyable. Of course this is likely why bad teachers and therapists are so quick to prescribe this "therapy" for hyper children: if you can make a zombie, they will no longer be a distraction.

I know this is how it is handled in the US...how about Switzerland? Is Ritalin handed out like candy here?
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Old 29.01.2013, 12:18
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Re: adhd its real

I've struggled with ADHD my whole life (wondering why I can't just be normal) ... was really disappointed when I was in the military and 2 of my beloved mentors denied the existence of ADD or ADHD, when I told them my sister (a teacher) told me that from her training, I displayed every characteristic known to ADD and ADHD sufferers and I'd like some help.

They told me that it didn't exist and I was making excuses and I must just try harder to concentrate. I've never been prescribed any thing for it. As an adult I self medicated with nicotine and alcohol, after reading a couple books, (Change your brain change your life by Daniel G. Ammen and Anti-Cancer by David Servan-Schreiber a couple years before my daughter was born, I stopped the consumption of sugar, it greatly helped me to better focus and to rid myself of the cravings that's the circle between nicotine and crap foods.

Tho I still like my Bier, Schnapps, and Rye on occasion, I've kicked the tobacco habit and still don't consume processed food and sugar. I've often wondered what it would be like to take Amphetamine Stimulants: Adderall, Dexedrine, and Dextrostat. Or Methylphenidate Stimulants like Focalin, Methylin or Ritalin.
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Old 29.01.2013, 12:31
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ADD/ADHD means that you process information differently. You distinguish signal from noise in a different way. You may not think in a linear fashion, you don't do well when you're expected to sit still and you need some structure to get through a number of tasks.

Sometimes ADD/ADHD increases anxiety - so much information floating around and you don't have an adequate filter. I had trouble driving for years because I could not filter signal from noise when driving. Some people with ADD/ADHD have long-term anxiety or depression because of their frustration in dealing with information.

If you worked in a factory, you might actually be ok - you have a structure. In a service economy, it can be really difficult for an ADD/ADHD person to survive without coping skills. If you don't learn strategies for dealing with ADD/ADHD, you are at greater risk of addiction, petty crime, like robbery, you are at greater risk of eating disorders, you may have difficulty with relationships and jobs. It's not just ADD/ADHD that causes these things, but it can often contribute.

On the positive side, people with ADD/ADHD can be creative, intelligent, spontaneous, easily adaptable and full of energy.

And while everyone is disorganized to some extent, the degree to which ADD/ADHD impacts you is beyond a little disorganization.

I was diagnosed with ADD as an adult. It explained a lot for me. I take ritalin. It helps me. It relaxes me. In fact, I've fallen asleep on it.

I also try to get exercise, watch what I eat, and try to impose some structure on my life. I also meditate. But I need meds too. That's my choice. Meds do work for some people. But of course, they don't work for everyone.

Ritalin is not handed out like candy in Switzerland, as far as I know. I have to present a hard copy of a prescription, or my doctor has to mail it to the pharmacy. Maybe it's different for kids, but it's not that easy for grownups.
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On the positive side, people with ADD/ADHD can be creative, intelligent, spontaneous, easily adaptable and full of energy.
and very hard to follow in conversations as my wife sees it.
tho one thing I'm thankful for with the ADD, is that I can listen to a book
on my headphones and (hey look! a squirrel!!!) continue working under the microscope or other do tasks, (what's that shiny flashing thing in the corner of the room) that I've repetitively done in my job for the last (is that pizza I smell?) 20+ years.
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and very hard to follow in conversations as my wife sees it.
tho one thing I'm thankful for with the ADD, is that I can listen to a book
on my headphones and (hey look! a squirrel!!!) continue working under the microscope or other do tasks, (what's that shiny flashing thing in the corner of the room) that I've repetitively done in my job for the last (is that pizza I smell?) 20+ years.
Me too!

Lots of times, I'd much rather listen to a book than read one.
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Re: adhd its real

i sometimes wonder if i have add/adhd. i do seem to have some symptoms:

  • don't like to sit still for too long (films >1.5 hours are a no-no)
  • chaos and disorganisation (desk is just a heap of papers right now)
  • impulsiveness (just do whatever and damn the consequences)
  • very little sleep
  • mind whirrs like crazy and thoughts jump from one thing to another
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Old 29.01.2013, 13:20
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Reading this thread I know I am and have been ADHD, all my life.
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and very hard to follow in conversations as my wife sees it.
tho one thing I'm thankful for with the ADD, is that I can listen to a book
on my headphones and (hey look! a squirrel!!!) continue working under the microscope or other do tasks, (what's that shiny flashing thing in the corner of the room) that I've repetitively done in my job for the last (is that pizza I smell?) 20+ years.
Amen Brother.

My ability to multitask seemingly unrelated things upsets my wife because she observes it as utter chaos...yet it is how I function...and efficiently at that. In time she (and I learned) that I approach EVERYTHING as if it is a process. I make up back-up plans for back-up plans for example. For my wife, the thought of having a radio on while she is writing a journal is counter productive. For me...i not only need the radio on, I need to carry on three skype conversations, answering an email, as well as having a phone conversation all for me to have the ability to focus on what it is I am actually supposed to be doing. Its like I have to give the voices in my head small tasks so they stay out of my way.

As far as being followed in a conversation...oh my...I have been called out as being the most random person imaginable. The problem is that I (and perhaps others will confirm this) can follow a thought through its logical conclusion in a matter of a nano-second. For example...we could be cooking dinner and i will be asked "how does this taste" and in the length of a breath I will retort with something like "I'm not sure if it will be a good idea to book a room so early". To her, and my friends, its a WTF kind of moment. And then I have to explain the fifty layers of detail that went into my response. Eventually after a lengthy discussion, we get back to layer 1 or 2 and discover that it needs a bit more salt.
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i sometimes wonder if i have add/adhd. i do seem to have some symptoms:

  • don't like to sit still for too long (films >1.5 hours are a no-no)
  • chaos and disorganisation (desk is just a heap of papers right now)
  • impulsiveness (just do whatever and damn the consequences)
  • very little sleep
  • mind whirrs like crazy and thoughts jump from one thing to another
Other than the sleep bit, and the desk (in my case it's my whole office that's a disaster area, not just the desk), I could say the same.

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