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Can you cook that stuff? I do not know the recipes for that but it sooo reminds me of spending time with my Puerto Rican friend and her family in Orlando.
Yep! Of course I can!!!! It takes me an hour and a half though and I do not put the egg on top...Puerto rican arroz con pollo is yellow, peruvian green. I can get you the recipe or if you want give you the spices all ready to mix that I brought from Peru, my pleasure
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(ZDA-Snipped the other bull....as you don't seem to follow your own quotes LOL)

For that I can equally say, I know people who can eat all the junk and unhealthy lifestyle and still stay lean and fit....
They are not the ones who are moaning on EF about their weight gain problems and start having sissy fits when basic unhealthy facts are pointed out.

We are all different right? So as you say some people eat lot of bad food and still look fit externally (not sure about their arteries internally though).
Anyway if eating similar food as them makes you fat then what would be the smart thing to do?

A) Change your diet, eat healthy and exercise?
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B) Start comparing yourself with them and keep following their bad eating habits and have more problems?

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If you cook all that at home, sausages, mushrooms, friend potatoes and beans... what can be wrong with it ?!!
Whether you fry something at home or someone fries it for you outside it makes no difference as far as raising your cholesterol/fat etc is concerned Hygiene is a different subject and nothing to do with this thread.

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This is exercise/weight loss related thread. Yoga thread here


I have IMMENSE IMMENSE IMMENSE respect for large people who are honest to themselves and try to change their ways slowly but steadily. On the other hand the ones who just keep making excuses and lie to themselves....well it's their life. Weight gain does not happen overnight and weight(fat) loss definitely takes much longer.
Look with MY hard work and MY life style choices I am reasonably fit. I was just trying to help and show the light but FK it as some people just like making excuses and being wrapped in cotton wool.

I am happy with my quality of life and health so you prople can do whatever you want.

Here help yourself-

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Old 10.09.2009, 17:38
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2. Take the stairs rather than the lift or escalator, even when one is available.
At home this isn't even a choice for me, I only have the stairs. Visiting mum-in-law now or going to the grocery, I take the stairs rather than lift or escalator, when stairs are available.

With these small changes I have lost 13kg in the past year. I don't think that's too bad... and the doctor actually says that is GOOD because more rapid changes tend to be short-term only.
Good for you.

The lift/escalator one is a good one. Walking up the stairs rather than taking the lift doesn't feel like exercise for, as you remark, it's just part of everyday life.

I was astounded here, when visiting a hospital here, and going for the stairs, the stair well was packed with doctors, visitors and with patients. No-one was using the lifts.
You would never see that in the U.S. or the U.K.

Indeed, I once stayed at a hotel in California where you could not access the stairs from the ground floor as it only led from the upstairs floors to a below-ground floor emergency exit. No-one used it, or could use it.

There's a different mentality here in Switzerland and most of it makes sense.
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Good for you.

The lift/escalator one is a good one. Walking up the stairs rather than taking the lift doesn't feel like exercise for, as you remark, it's just part of everyday life.

I was astounded here, when visiting a hospital here, and going for the stairs, the stair well was packed with doctors, visitors and with patients. No-one was using the lifts.
You would never see that in the U.S. or the U.K.

Indeed, I once stayed at a hotel in California where you could not access the stairs from the ground floor as it only led from the upstairs floors to a below-ground floor emergency exit. No-one used it, or could use it.

There's a different mentality here in Switzerland and most of it makes sense.
I tried to take the stairs in a hotel here and the alarm went off
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Old 10.09.2009, 18:01
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I have IMMENSE IMMENSE IMMENSE respect for large people who are honest to themselves and try to change their ways slowly but steadily. On the other hand the ones who just keep making excuses and lie to themselves....well it's their life. Weight gain does not happen overnight and weight(fat) loss definitely takes much longer.
Look with MY hard work and MY life style choices I am reasonably fit. I was just trying to help and show the light but FK it as some people just like making excuses and being wrapped in cotton wool.

I am happy with my quality of life and health so you prople can do whatever you want.

Who is making judgments about whom here?

I have purposefully refrained from saying anything specific about what I eat or cook as folks who do not have the issues I have tend not to believe me anyhow. I did not want to turn this into me vs you (or whomever) because "you" types tend to look at "me" types and ASSume I eat at McDonalds every meal.

I absolutely do not.

I have gall bladder issues ever since arriving here... I do not eat that crap you invited me to help myself to, tyvm, except on somewhat rare occasion as my stomach would scream in agony for hours if I made any sort of a regular habit of it.

I cook healthy meals. That daydream meal is another example of a special occasion meal... not an every day thing, not even a once a month thing. It is a Christmas morning thing, for me anyhow.

I use fresh or frozen veggies, not canned.
I use extra-virgin olive oil even in my baking.
85% of the meat I eat is chicken. The rest is trimmed.

I spent the 5 years prior to moving here trying to help my mother eat healthier (she has low blood pressure, cholesterol, thyroid, gall bladder disease, hyatle hernia, etc, etc... a whole host of metabolic and gastric problems) ... and struggling to stay away from the snacks she brought home to help herself "feel" better over her own health issues.

I know what to eat, I know how to eat. Even though the gall bladder issues for me started when I moved here, I've *always* cooked that way for myself and when living on my own, I've always been deemed healthy (in all ways except the # on the scale) by doctors.

I do not need "you" to lecture me. None of us do.

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Old 10.09.2009, 18:01
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It's not your job to tell me to shut up either. If me stating facts is discouraging then so be it. Richdog summed up your attitude perfectly in his earlier post.
No, he didn't. Is it too much to ask that you and Richdog just read the @$)&%! thread before assuming you know all about it?

Here, let me recap for you:
Peg A started out by saying that she doesn't get much Exercise-with-a-capital-E, and doesn't much want to - but that she has made several small lifestyle changes since moving here, and has in fact lost over two stone in the past year.

She reckons since this has worked for her, it might work for others: that people for whom physical exertion is rather a chore than a delight ought to try for simply an active lifestyle, instead of a sedentary lifestyle with regular workouts wedged into it.

Sure sounds like a 'losing' attitude to me!


@Peg A: Preach it, sister! I'm finding the same thing... no time or interest for formal exercise, but I've become just that little bit more active, and the weight is (slowly!) peeling off as a result.
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Re: Why excercise may not help you lose weight

well, this applies to me.

I am on a

1. diet program ( Protein shake in the morning, salad and one tropical fruit in the afternoon, evening-4 indian breads with vegetable without any butter or indian ghee)

2. exercise 30 min trademill, 20 crunches-*2,sauna for 10 mi

3. walking evenings and noons for half an hour, also have developed habit of walking between stops, so I take bus , get down at the next stop, walk again, take the bus again...

All this is doing wonders. I lost around 6-7 kgs in timeframe of 4-5 weeks. ( I gave sometime for a week , thats where I had a tough time to loose more weight)

I dont want to know what caused the major impact but I am happy with the result and feel nice when my old clothes fit me
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Re: Why excercise may not help you lose weight

I think that it seems that most of us have our own ideas about what is healthy and what isn't and it doesn't matter what others tell us. It's hard to figure out the truth because the statistics are so inconsistent when it comes to diet/exercize/weight loss. We can all go onto the Internet and find articles that back up our ideas...but that doesn't mean we are right. There are too many factors involved and even the scientists that deal with these issues cannot agree on them (genetics, fat intake, calorie intake, cholesterol, to name a few).

I've read the book by Gary Taubes mentioned in the OPs article (Good Calories, Bad Calories....I have it here in Basel if anyone is tremendously interested in reading it), and it brings up a lot of very good questions and doesn't really answer many of them. Although, when I was reading it, I think I changed my ideas of what was healthy or unhealthy about 10 times. Finally, I just decided to eat what I want, when I want, and try to eat a balanced diet because I don't know who to believe any more. Works for me.
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Old 10.09.2009, 18:32
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Who is making judgments about whom here?
We all make judgements. That food image was not specifically aimed at you. If someone has medical condition then that is completely different matter and my posts don't apply to such cases. My point is that medical or no medical condition...eating unhealthy won't help matters.

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Easy tigress We don't know life history of everyone who posts on online forums. So are you saying that she is not overweight any more? We can go only based on what people say on this and another thread that I read from her. Climbing stair is a good thing but hardly active lifestyle. Active lifestyle + regular workout would be a start.

Anyway you think I always enjoy working my butt off in the gym like a hamster? No pain no gain. You ladies can continue hammering me......it's time for me to go gym now cause I don't want to end up like my friends from school or my extended family members.

Nothing more to say on this thread. Cardio here I come.
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No, he didn't. Is it too much to ask that you and Richdog just read the @$)&%! thread before assuming you know all about it?

Here, let me recap for you:
Peg A started out by saying that she doesn't get much Exercise-with-a-capital-E, and doesn't much want to - but that she has made several small lifestyle changes since moving here, and has in fact lost over two stone in the past year.

She reckons since this has worked for her, it might work for others: that people for whom physical exertion is rather a chore than a delight ought to try for simply an active lifestyle, instead of a sedentary lifestyle with regular workouts wedged into it.

Sure sounds like a 'losing' attitude to me!


@Peg A: Preach it, sister! I'm finding the same thing... no time or interest for formal exercise, but I've become just that little bit more active, and the weight is (slowly!) peeling off as a result.
You go sisters... I agree with you totally!!!

I cant be bothered with workouts and stuff but LUUURRVVEE eating. The only bit of excercise I get is when cooking. Meat has to be fried just right before adding spices and then Yummm... followed by really really suger rich sweets!! HEAVEN!!

And then either going to blissful sleep or watching a movie or playing Xbox!!

Nothing more I ask from the Lord!!

Let the loonies Run and work out like crazy to have a Healthy life?
For what? For a long life?
Long life for what? So they can Run and work out a bit more

And then on the death bed, they'll be like.. wish I had done that or wish I had eaten that

As for using stairs and not lifts.. c'mon think about the time and effort it went into inventing those things! Show respect!
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What is a good diet?
What healthy meal would you compare to English breakfast?
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If you can Google quotes then I am sure you can Google the above info too
If this fried cr@p looks healthy to you then more power to you.

Careful! You should also have indulged in the Act of Googling.

A competent Googler would have realised that chips/french fries/pommes
have no place in an English breakfast.

And the snags are burnt.
And the mushies are undercooked.
As are the toms.
And Gawd knows where the toast is.

Send it back and let someone who understands such things order for you.
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I think that it seems that most of us have our own ideas about what is healthy and what isn't and it doesn't matter what others tell us.
True but that does not change some real clear facts about unhealthy foods.

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I think they are pretty consistent. Yes not for fad diets though. Ok I am running late so must go.....
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Careful! You should also have indulged in the Act of Googling.

A competent Googler would have realised that chips/french fries/pommes
have no place in an English breakfast.


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Yeah I know but it was to drive my point about fried food Last time I ate English breakfast was 10 years ago
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A competent Googler would have realised that chips/french fries/pommes
have no place in an English breakfast.
Potato Waffles are the exception to this rule... put an egg or some bacon (preferably both) on one and then prepare to have a true tastegasm.
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And then on the death bed, they'll be like.. wish I had done that or wish I had eaten that
I believe we are all born with a certain number of heartbeats.... knowing that, would you waste them on excercise??
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I believe we are all born with a certain number of heartbeats.... knowing that, would you waste them on excercise??
That depends on the exercise!
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That depends on the exercise!
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I believe we are all born with a certain number of heartbeats.... knowing that, would you waste them on excercise??
Excercise helps with performance or makes you feel good, not extend your life. But yes if one believes in Fate then no point stretching one's self for no reason.

I was reading an article about regeneration of cells and Aging and it said something like upto a certain point human cells, when they die and regenerate will keep the same level of quality... but after certain age or time either the new cells will not be as good as before or not regenerate at all.. i.e. cells iin various human organs... and that timeframe is decided by something in built in ones genes.
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Careful! You should also have indulged in the Act of Googling.

A competent Googler would have realised that chips/french fries/pommes
have no place in an English breakfast.

And the snags are burnt.
And the mushies are undercooked.
As are the toms.

..and the beans shouldn't be next to the fried eggs. You can't enjoy the egg's gooeyness because it runs into the beans.
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Old 10.09.2009, 19:21
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..and the beans shouldn't be next to the fried eggs. You can't enjoy the egg's gooeyness because it runs into the beans.

I was wondering about that.

The egg's gooeyness is for dipping the toast, isn't it?


(As for those beans, I have never had such with my breakfast, I quite like them if I have a hot dog though.)
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