A bad Press is OK if the comments saves one life !


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" Enagic talks about blood pH in their teachings. Dr. Carpenter and Dr. Shinga (one of the top 10 heart specialist in the world, the one who invented the heart stint, Dr. Oz of television fame, and Doctor Batmangehlidj author of over 30 books on water and health, all have supported Kangen Water as a healthy solution to hydrating the body. On the other side, consider that the day to day drinking of a Pepsi or Coca Cola is much more harmful with it's pH of 2.5 or less. The Kangen water program gradually increases the body's pH, not the blood pH, allowing the body's immune system to positively affect your health. On top of that the Japanese Medical profession endorses Enagic and Kangen Water and it is used throughout their hospitals for the better part of Enagic's 35 year existence. In fact the President of Enagic who is 69 and looks 45 has been on Kangen Water for those 35 years. The AntiAging properties WORK. Also, the best I have been able to determine, no deaths have occurred as a result of their efforts. On the other side, there are multiple testimonials to the positive effects of Kangen water. If you have an interest in seeing real people with real results, visit my website at www.water4alifetime.com
scroll to the bottom of the first page and click on my Facebookwhen you arrive go to the upper left corner and click on Profile there will be 26 videos there most of which are testimonials of people who have had real health gains drinking Kangen water.

Another point of interest. I just sold a unit to the parents of an autistic child. The State of North Carolina had to approve the sale because they will be paying for the unit. We found out that their medical unit has a Kangen water machine in their office and gives water to the children while they are there."
<Ben@water4alifetime.com>

Yeah, everything I find on water ionisers seems like a web of intrigue with each manufacturer slagging off other manufacturers, but no real data on the actual benefits of ionised water.

As far as I can tell, there is none.

Sorry if I misrepresented you, I thought you were spamming for the magic water.

Me too.

Brian.

I use Curcumum, or however it is spelled as a colorant often, has too much a metallic taste to go nuts with it. I am not a doctor, but I am starting to believe that outside of limiting the amount of chemically enhanced foods, exposure to ground water and dirt that has been contaminated, and other enviroment related exposure to the body, cancer is chemical/technology related, and the only way to fight a chemical problem is with a chemical solution. It may not bring you back to the way you were, but it may be the lesser of two evils.

Every other month you hear if you eat that, drink that, take those herbs, drink that tea, flush your system, stacking up on grains, broccolli, yogurt, olive oil, and so on you will reduce your chances of cancer. Based on what? We all don't live in the same area. And as far as I can tell Cancer is a realtively new "disease". Since the Industrial Revolution that is. And when I say chemical solution I don't mean chemo either. I mean, why burn out all your body's natural defense mechanisms to kill "maybe" all your cancer cells, and then have a common cold kill you? Sorry to rant. And I would be personally excited to believe adding an orange colorant will keep me alive from cancer, so that I can live another day to get killed in another way, but I for one am tired of chasing "cures" for diseases I have no idea I will even get or for sure will have any effect if I eat Flax Seed Oil every day for 20 years only to find out, that theory wasn't anything more then that. And I despise Flax Seed Oil. I do eat as healthy as I can because having a fully operational heart and good skin(well I try), in 30 years from now is something quite logical that I can accomplish based on years of trial and error of others before me. But the cancer cures are getting on my nerves.
But I do love a good curry, nevermind that the coconut milk might not be the best thing for my heart, or my ass.

I hope people realize that if that was the case then prevalence of cancer would be low in "curry" eating countries. Is that the case?? NO.

BOPAL anyone?
Union Carbide

I think many people turn to these more alternative forms of treatment because It's only recently that cancer became such a big killer, so some think it's to do with modern living. Fact is that we just didn't live as long as we do now.

While we are living longer, it's not the sole reason cancer rates have gone up.

A couple of points.
Cancer was known and referred to centuries ago. There are saints and churches devoted to it. There are alleged curing springs and wells regarding cancer and tumours and growths from the dark ages. This is not new news.

OTOH, as recently as last century people were still dying from consumption. THis covers a lot of illnesses and diseases. Cancer, TB, Influenza, are just a few of the conditions that were covered by this "generic" diagnosis.

The main reason that cancer is such a huge bogeyman is that it results from the body's "normal" metabolic processes going wrong. While it is genetically linked, it still appears to be mostly random and arbitrary and that is terrifying to most people. We fear the unknown and like most religious situations we are turning to mystical or magical solutions for our answers. For may people there is no real difference between religion and science as they are not capable of understanding either really well. So for the typical "non-scientific" person, belief in science or belief in religion are the same.

We don't need "Magic Cures or Food" to save us from many of these cancer related illnesses. We need to stop eating "fake" food and start eating real food again. It isn't a question of "Bio" or "Organic" but rather a question of how many preservatives and colourants that are in our foods that don't really need to be there. How many freezer meals does the planet really need?

In the long run, we get cancer more because of three things in order of importance.
1. We live longer.
2. We can actually diagnose the disease reliably. So we know what is killing us.
3. We are adding things to our food supply and environment that aren't healthy and those things have the potential to be more carcinogenic than the previous options.

Before we get carried away about the third point don't forget that people put lead on their faces as make up over a century ago and consumed (whether by accident or design) rather large amounts of rare earths and heavy metals as well. Not to mention they lived near volcanic vents and near other sources of natural toxicity so this isn't a particularly new problem either. Neither should we get carried away with trying to remove ourselves completely from the modern era by denying the usefulness of chemicals, insecticides and herbicides. There is a trade off between being able to raise disease free produce and live in "clean" environments and the risk of conditions that "might" be caused by these agents. The difference is that we should now know with what we are doing the damage to ourselves and with general knowledge should be able to protect ourselves from these excesses.

No magic or gods involved here.

If we as a society want to blame something for our woes, then feel free, but don't expect me to join in.

Good Luck,
Brian.

It is said that every human has cancer cells in their blood - it is when one
dysfunctions and multiplies that one is a cancer patient???

Food/Water intake is cancer related. In an East European Country there is
a village where there is no history of a single case of blood cancer and
investigations proved that all of them ate Beet-root for generations: If this
is not true, those interested may Google, than it be said that an EFer
is feeding scam to this forum! In the interest of those who crave for
Cancer related information.

For example, scientists have long noted that Indians have much lower rates of certain cancers than their American counterparts. That led researchers to wonder whether diet plays a role — and, more specifically, the turmeric. Source: Brain Institute UCLA

Many universities in the States, such as UCLA, the University of Texas MD Anderson Cancer Center, Johns Hopkins, the University of Washington, the University of Maryland, etc. are conducting clinical trials on curcumin with positive results.

Another excerpt from the UCLA article:


"We know turmeric has been used for hundreds of years, if not thousands, in China and Indonesia and is very valuable to these people," added James Adams, a professor at the USC School of Pharmacy. "It is clearly a very useful plant that we need to know more about. Basically we are waiting for more studies."

Could you not just give us the name of this village?

That doesn't do us any good because we are not from that village and therefore not genetically related to the people in that village. Nor have we been in that environment for the past few decades with our immediate families and everyone that we know.

I am not saying that Beet Root is or isn't good for one. I am just saying that there are so many reasons for why a particular village might have more or less cancer, or presence or lack of cancer of a particular type. There are too many variables to control for, so while it is interesting and possibly useful, it is not axiomatic nor is any particular outcome guaranteed.

This isn't the Matrix, there is no blue pill or red pill or otherwise.
Sorry, but life is more complicated and less arbitrary than that.

Brian.

Is this a statement or a question?

And are you talking about haematological cancers or all cancers?

All cells have the potential to become cancerous, and over time that chance increases due to how the body/cells replicate (the more replications, the greater the chance). Therefore the older we get the greater the chance of cancer (as pointed out by Brian).

Separate from this, the body also has repair and damage limitation mechanisms in place to "control" cancer-causing mutations. When those mechanisms don't work (e.g. due to a genetic susceptibility or specific point mutation) or are overwhelmed, you get cancer growth.

So yes, we all have cancer causing cells in our bodies. The fact that they may or may not kill us is neither here nor there IMO.

The notes below came out in a letter being circulated among some friends
in USA and I am copying it below for what it is worth to those interested.

AFTER YEARS OF TELLING PEOPLE CHEMOTHERAPY IS THE ONLY WAY TO TRY AND ELIMINATE CANCER, JOHNS HOPKINSIS FINALLY STARTING TO TELL YOU THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY ...

Cancer Update from Johns Hopkins

1. Every person has cancer cells in the body. These cancer cells do not show up in the standard tests until they have multiplied to a few billion. When doctors tell cancer patients that there are no more cancer cells in their bodies after treatment, it just means the tests are unable to detect the cancer cells because they have not reached the detectable size.

2. Cancer cells occur between 6 to more than 10 times in a person's lifetime.

3. When the person's immune system is strong the cancer cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumors.

4. When a person has cancer it indicates the person has multiple nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic, environmental, food and lifestyle factors.

5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system.

6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone marrow, gastro-intestinal tract etc., and can cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc.

7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars and damages healthy cells, tissues and organs.

8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation do not result in more tumor destruction.

9. When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy and radiation the immune system is either compromised or destroyed, hence the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and complications.

10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other sites.

11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply.

WHAT CANCER CELLS FEED ON:
a. Sugar is a cancer-feeder. By cutting off sugar it cuts off one important food supply to the cancer cells. Sugar substitutes like NutraSweet, Equal,Spoonful, etc are made with Aspartame and it is harmful. A better natural substitute would be Manuka honey or molasses but only in very small amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make it white in colour. Better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea salt.

b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened soy milk, cancer cells are being starved.

c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than beef or pork. Meat also contains livestock antibiotics, growth hormones and parasites, which are all harmful, especially to people with cancer.

d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains, seeds, nuts and a little fruits help put the body into an alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance growth of healthy cells.

To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).

e. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Water--best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it.

12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines become putrified and leads to more toxic buildup.

13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.

14. Some supplements build up the immune system (IP6, Flor-ssence, Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, EFAs etc.) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or unneeded cells.

15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor.

Anger, unforgiveness and bitterness put the body into a stressful and acidic environment. Learn to have a loving and forgiving spirit. Learn to relax and enjoy life.

16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment. Exercising daily, and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer cells.

This is an article that should be sent to every one you care about. Posted here on 21-04-2010

Changing your diet will not cure cancer.

The best you can hope to achieve is a reducing your chances of getting cancer.

A note on this email, it does not originate from John Hopkins, it is a fake.

In fact they issued a full rebuttal of it here.

"A note on this email, it does not originate from John Hopkins, it is a fake.

In fact they issued a full rebuttal of it here."

The bottom line is that the name Johns Hopkins was used WITHOUT
PERMISSION ! These things happen all the time in many a Forum and
Circular letters/Newsletters?

This was probably to give credibility to the important subject? Pl. note
that in their denial they agree with the points made in regard to Cancer, in the so-called fake letter.

Only those effected will feel deeply on the subject.