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This Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the one whose mom told him all about the dangers of mercury in vaccinations -- is he one of those doctors and scientists going out in public giving lectures about their findings? Perhaps you could link some of the peer-reviewed, published findings of the doctors and scientists of whom you speak?
I suggest you google Prof. Stephanie Seneff from Massachusetts Institute of Technology and read her recent papers on autism.
http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/

I would also recommend following Dr. Suzanne Humphries, a practicing nephrologist, on her recent studies on vaccines and the immune system.



Why Won't Centre for Disease Control (CDC) do the Study on the health outcomes of vaccinated and unvaccinated children?



Link of over 150 scientists and physicians who acknowledge that vaccines are harming our children.
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The chicken pox vaccine offered to children won't protect you against shingles.
Did you have chicken pox as a child?
Yes, I did have chicken pox. And yes, the varicella vaccination reduces the risk of getting shingles:
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Herpes zoster (shingles) most often occurs in the elderly and is only rarely seen in children. The incidence of herpes zoster in vaccinated adults is 0.9/1000 person-years, and is 0.33/1000 person-years in vaccinated children; this is lower than the overall incidence of 3.2–4.2/1000 person-years.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varicella_vaccine (with additional references)
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Chemtrails, anti vaccination, you're a bonafide fruitcake aren't you?
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Ahh yes. Stephanie Seneff. That well known, respected computer scientist/electrical engineer who has absolutely no medical qualifications - and certainly no specialised higher level medical training or experience in the field of autism whatsoever. Loving her work.
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Ahh yes. Stephanie Seneff. That well known, respected computer scientist/electrical engineer who has absolutely no medical qualifications - and certainly no specialised higher level medical training or experience in the field of autism whatsoever. Loving her work.
haha, I actually wasted 15 minutes of my life and clicked on her link and a few of her powerpoint presentations.
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Old 23.03.2015, 15:37
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Ahh yes. Stephanie Seneff. That well known, respected computer scientist/electrical engineer who has absolutely no medical qualifications - and certainly no specialised higher level medical training or experience in the field of autism whatsoever. Loving her work.
Thank you for saving me some time! My first impulse was to do a quick google of the two names mentioned by Uno's Garden, to get a feel for how well respected these "authorities" actually are. I was thinking something along the lines of "Wakefield", but no, he's gone one better and pulled out a totally irrelevant, non-medical person with so credentials or credibility whatsoever!
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Ahh yes. Stephanie Seneff. That well known, respected computer scientist/electrical engineer who has absolutely no medical qualifications - and certainly no specialised higher level medical training or experience in the field of autism whatsoever. Loving her work.
She is amazing, isn't she? Glad you know of her.
Great example of an academic involved in Interdisciplinarity science. No many people know how to connect to the dots, like she does.
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Old 23.03.2015, 15:45
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have you clicked any of her powerpoint presentations? they look a bit barmy
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I would also recommend following Dr. Suzanne Humphries, a practicing nephrologist, on her recent studies on vaccines and the immune system.
As for Suzanne Humphries, apparently she has no training whatsoever in immunology or vaccines in general, and recommends that people limit their medical care only to homeopaths, chiropractors and osteopaths, which must limit her own medical practice somewhat. Oh, except that apparently she's "nearing the end" of her own studies in homeopathy.

Yay. Another peddler of quack medicine.

Do you have any actual science-based evidence for your claims about the dangers of vaccines, Mr Garden?
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Link of over 150 scientists and physicians who acknowledge that vaccines are harming our children.
Seriously? You are either a troll or delusional. Look at the comments for that article. A random guy on the internet claims to be a doctor and wants to be added to the list - and they add him! If that's how they do their due diligence for that list, they can just as well put random names on it (they probably did).

By the looks of it, I could claim to be Prof. Rincewind, Reader in Slood Dynamics at UU, Ankh-Morpork and they'd add me.
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Great example of an academic involved in Interdisciplinarity science. No many people know how to connect to the dots, like she does.
I think my 7-year-old (fully vaccinated) son, who is excellent at join-the-dots, would make more sense talking about the relationship between astrophysics, genetic engineering, natural biology and pure mathematics than Dr Humphries could on any interdisciplinary relationship.
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Thank you for saving me some time! My first impulse was to do a quick google of the two names mentioned by Uno's Garden, to get a feel for how well respected these "authorities" actually are. I was thinking something along the lines of "Wakefield", but no, he's gone one better and pulled out a totally irrelevant, non-medical person with so credentials or credibility whatsoever!
Come on 22 yards! Can't you think for yourself?
This is the problem with our society today. Everyone relies on someone to do the thinking for them.

By the way, did you know that Whooping cough can be treated with Vitamin C?
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/20...-humphries-md/

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Seriously? You are either a troll or delusional. ....
Anyone that delusional should probably be locked away for their own safety (and may be, for all we know).

There are a few proponents of loony theories in the English Forum, but they differ from Uno'S Garden (an anagram of Groans Nude, btw), in that they engage in debate rather than continually switching tangent when challenged. For that reason, I think "Troll". It really is time that the idiot was removed permanently. Adds no value whatsoever to the community - hijacking threads only to provoke reaction.
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Come on 22 yards! Can't you think for yourself?
This is the problem with our society today. Everyone relies on someone to do the thinking for them.

By the way, did you know that Whooping cough can be treated with Vitamin C?
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/20...-humphries-md/

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If only that infant in Perth had been given an orange to suck on!

Anyway, I get it now. You've been having a laugh all along. But please pick your targets for your humour more carefully; some people (understandably) get very twitchy about issues like the health of their children, so if you're going to go in for a wind-up, I suggest trying something less controversial, like supporting IS.
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Come on 22 yards! Can't you think for yourself?
This is the problem with our society today. Everyone relies on someone to do the thinking for them.

By the way, did you know that Whooping cough can be treated with Vitamin C?
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/20...-humphries-md/

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Actually, I agree with you that it's healthy to be critical and have an open mind but the links you have posted are bonkers
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Come on 22 yards! Can't you think for yourself?

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Can you?

You equate a 1in6 probability to 1in80,000,000. (For reference winning the UK lottery is a 1in13,000,000 event.)

You have decided that you believe in "chemtrails" and "vaccines cause all evil ever" and will quote studies of limited validity in your attempts to support your belief.

I'm going to hold a little bit more faith in history - and consider myself lucky to have grown up not running the risk of having small pox, polio, measles or any number of other fatal diseases which were almost eradicated thanks to vaccination.
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... any number of other fatal diseases which were almost eradicated thanks to vaccination.
... and are only just now starting to reappear, thanks to people not being vaccinated.
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Re: Avoiding Vaccination?

Hi. I work in a pediatrician practice. This week we had 2 kids with pertussis. Both not immunized. It's not a big deal, they are treated and will get better, but the illness circulates much more and the youngest, too young to be immunized, might have critical complications if they catch it.
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Re: Avoiding Vaccination?

In the early 70s there was an issue with the pertussis (whooping cough vaccine). Although changes were made to reduce the risk dramatically, many children were not vaccinated. My cousin caught it age 2 and was severely ill. He survived, but died in his thirties. My mother caught it and again survived, but she has had lasting minor ill-effects (it shows up when she coughs!). When I was growing up, whooping cough was certainly considered "a big deal".

Has treatment improved since the 70s so that after effects are now extremely unlikely?
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